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cowcatcher » Posted 1/16/07 1:02:00AM


Posted by LightsOUT23


Posted by iwannabesedated


I'm sure there is a public library in your town, Most are free to join or hell you may even be able to google it but check out a science or anatomy book one day.as you get older your body slows down,Therefore creating less of what it used to, So the AC and doctors have found it acceptable that guys can use TRT to keep up to normal ratio of what the average bodies produce...so technically its not having advantage its having a ratio of what a nomal body produces...If it's not a ridiculous amount its fair....So stop make a deal about something that isn't.You'e making a mountain out of a mole hill.if it was cheating it'd be illegal and it's not so ITS NOT CHEATING.



"as you get older your body slows down,Therefore creating less of what it used to"

"guys can use TRT to keep up to normal ratio of what the average bodies produce...so technically its not having advantage its having a ratio of what a nomal body produces"

You just said it yourself.

Adding TRT to an aging body is cheating your bodies natural capabilities to be able to gain what your body can no longer produce, that is why TRT is a PED. Monitored or not monitored, its a PED and would give any fighter a clear cut advantage !!!



I'm still trying to figure out how using TRT is cheating when it's allowed by the state athletic commissions. You may personally think it's unfair, but cheating it is not, at least according to the rules in most, if not all, places that regulate MMA.

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40ouncetofreedom » Posted 3/29/09 4:31:00PM


Posted by LightsOUT23


Posted by iwannabesedated


I'm sure there is a public library in your town, Most are free to join or hell you may even be able to google it but check out a science or anatomy book one day.as you get older your body slows down,Therefore creating less of what it used to, So the AC and doctors have found it acceptable that guys can use TRT to keep up to normal ratio of what the average bodies produce...so technically its not having advantage its having a ratio of what a nomal body produces...If it's not a ridiculous amount its fair....So stop make a deal about something that isn't.You'e making a mountain out of a mole hill.if it was cheating it'd be illegal and it's not so ITS NOT CHEATING.



"as you get older your body slows down,Therefore creating less of what it used to"

"guys can use TRT to keep up to normal ratio of what the average bodies produce...so technically its not having advantage its having a ratio of what a nomal body produces"

You just said it yourself....


Adding TRT to an aging body is cheating your bodies natural capabilities to be able to gain what your body can no longer produce, that is why TRT is a PED. Monitored or not monitored, its a PED and would give any fighter a clear cut advantage, especially when some athletic commissions allow testosterone users to be up to 5 times over the normal amount !!!

... How you can say that's not a clear advantage for any fighter who uses TRT is beyond me !!!!




It's not an advantage when you're older,You're at a disadvantage when you get old and your body slows down,So TRT is able to keep at a regular level to what it used to be.If it was unfair it would be banned and it's not so give it up already man...geesh It's your opinion that it is cheating.

LightsOUT23 » Posted 12/26/11 6:25:00PM


Posted by iwannabesedated


It's not an advantage when you're older,You're at a disadvantage when you get old and your body slows down,So TRT is able to keep at a regular level to what it used to be.If it was unfair it would be banned and it's not so give it up already man...geesh It's your opinion that it is cheating.



Of course it is an advantage when you are older, If your body no longer PRODUCES it and you are REPLACING it with TRT then you ENHANCING an aging bodies capabilities are you not ???

The rules may state that under the correct control TRT can be used, but up to 5 times over is a total contradictory considering a non user will be producing a lot less Testosterone than a fighter who is using TRT to replace it.

This whole debate is shadowed by the many different types of Testosterone and what each form does to the human body.

Testosterone is a chemical, Chemicals in the human body have significant effect. Its not up for debate, you use TRT, you cheat. Maybe not in the eyes of the Athletic commission, but by the laws of general drug usage in sports, you are cheating !!!

Hell, the AC may as well make weed legal as smoking weed would really Enhance a fighters capabilities right ? ... Wrong, weed has the complete opposite effect.

The AC Drug control in MMA is all wrong.

I'm sorry if you can't see my points here, i understand what you are saying, but i do not believe it is regulated the right way. Any fighter who puts chemicals in their body to replace chemicals that are no longer produced is enhancing their bodies abilities in a CONTROLLED way that allows them to train and fight in a way that they could not do if the TRT was not being used. It doesn't make it right, or legal in a sport that is so "HEAVILY REGULATED" by minimal drug usage.

If that is not cheating, then i don't know what is.

40ouncetofreedom » Posted 3/29/09 4:31:00PM


Posted by LightsOUT23



Posted by iwannabesedated


It's not an advantage when you're older,You're at a disadvantage when you get old and your body slows down,So TRT is able to keep at a regular level to what it used to be.If it was unfair it would be banned and it's not so give it up already man...geesh It's your opinion that it is cheating.



Of course it is an advantage when you are older, If your body no longer PRODUCES it and you are REPLACING it with TRT then you ENHANCING an aging bodies capabilities are you not ???

The rules may state that under the correct control TRT can be used, but up to 5 times over is a total contradictory considering a non user will be producing a lot less Testosterone than a fighter who is using TRT to replace it.

This whole debate is shadowed by the many different types of Testosterone and what each form does to the human body.

Testosterone is a chemical, Chemicals in the human body have significant effect. Its not up for debate, you use TRT, you cheat. Maybe not in the eyes of the Athletic commission, but by the laws of general drug usage in sports, you are cheating !!!

Hell, the AC may as well make weed legal as smoking weed would really Enhance a fighters capabilities right ? ... Wrong, weed has the complete opposite effect.

The AC Drug control in MMA is all wrong.

I'm sorry if you can't see my points here, i understand what you are saying, but i do not believe it is regulated the right way. Any fighter who puts chemicals in their body to replace chemicals that are no longer produced in enhancing their bodies abilities in a CONTROLLED way that allows them to train and fight in a way that they could not do if the TRT was not being used.

If that is not cheating, then i don't know what is.



So when you get older and your dick stops working and you take viagra to get a hard-on i guess you're cheating your wife, Because it's not your body naturally producing your wood.....Be glad doctors and scientist are finding ways to keep us younger and healthier.It's legal so deal with it, It's only cheating in your opinion.

LightsOUT23 » Posted 12/26/11 6:25:00PM


Posted by cowcatcher


I'm still trying to figure out how using TRT is cheating when it's allowed by the state athletic commissions. You may personally think it's unfair, but cheating it is not, at least according to the rules in most, if not all, places that regulate MMA.



I agree 100%. Its not fair at all.

What i am saying here is that if the AC regulate TRT, then why is ok for a fighter to be up to 5 times over the average human levels come fight night?

Isn't that a bit of an advantage considering your opponent doesn't use TRT and that fighters Testosterone levels would be at a normal level?

If Drugs are banned from MMA, and you can get suspended and fined like "Nick Diaz" for traces of weed in your urine, then shouldn't all drugs be banned with no exemptions such as fighters being able to use TRT the way they are.

From the point of Belfort, he is not cheating, he would say "The athletics commission have granted me to use TRT so i am not breaking any rules"... Right?
But when you look into it and what TRT does, it replaces testosterone that the body can no longer produce.
Isn't that like installing a new pair of lungs to breath because as you've got older your lungs have clogged up causing you to have trouble breathing ???
... Its no different to cheating, if your body can no longer produce it, stop fighting.

A soccer player retires from soccer when their body starts to age causing them fitness problems. A boxer retires in the same way. A line runner the same. A swimmer the same. An MMA fighter ???

Aging is a part of life. TRT should not be an option.

LightsOUT23 » Posted 12/26/11 6:25:00PM


Posted by iwannabesedated


Posted by LightsOUT23



Posted by iwannabesedated


It's not an advantage when you're older,You're at a disadvantage when you get old and your body slows down,So TRT is able to keep at a regular level to what it used to be.If it was unfair it would be banned and it's not so give it up already man...geesh It's your opinion that it is cheating.



Of course it is an advantage when you are older, If your body no longer PRODUCES it and you are REPLACING it with TRT then you ENHANCING an aging bodies capabilities are you not ???

The rules may state that under the correct control TRT can be used, but up to 5 times over is a total contradictory considering a non user will be producing a lot less Testosterone than a fighter who is using TRT to replace it.

This whole debate is shadowed by the many different types of Testosterone and what each form does to the human body.

Testosterone is a chemical, Chemicals in the human body have significant effect. Its not up for debate, you use TRT, you cheat. Maybe not in the eyes of the Athletic commission, but by the laws of general drug usage in sports, you are cheating !!!

Hell, the AC may as well make weed legal as smoking weed would really Enhance a fighters capabilities right ? ... Wrong, weed has the complete opposite effect.

The AC Drug control in MMA is all wrong.

I'm sorry if you can't see my points here, i understand what you are saying, but i do not believe it is regulated the right way. Any fighter who puts chemicals in their body to replace chemicals that are no longer produced in enhancing their bodies abilities in a CONTROLLED way that allows them to train and fight in a way that they could not do if the TRT was not being used.

If that is not cheating, then i don't know what is.



So when you get older and your dick stops working and you take viagra to get a hard-on i guess you're cheating your wife, Because it's not your body naturally producing your wood.....Be glad doctors and scientist are finding ways to keep us younger and healthier.It's legal so deal with it, It's only cheating in your opinion.





Ok Its legal - do you agree with it ???

There is a solution to a limp dick - Viagra. But in taking Viagra, my dick would not get bigger or harder would it !! Taking TRT up to 5 times over what your body used to produce would enhance your body in many ways my friend. Muscle, Power, Strength, Confidence, Flexibility the list goes on ..... That is why TRT is listed as a PED. Viagra is not !!



40ouncetofreedom » Posted 3/29/09 4:31:00PM


Posted by LightsOUT23


Posted by iwannabesedated


Posted by LightsOUT23



Posted by iwannabesedated


It's not an advantage when you're older,You're at a disadvantage when you get old and your body slows down,So TRT is able to keep at a regular level to what it used to be.If it was unfair it would be banned and it's not so give it up already man...geesh It's your opinion that it is cheating.



Of course it is an advantage when you are older, If your body no longer PRODUCES it and you are REPLACING it with TRT then you ENHANCING an aging bodies capabilities are you not ???

The rules may state that under the correct control TRT can be used, but up to 5 times over is a total contradictory considering a non user will be producing a lot less Testosterone than a fighter who is using TRT to replace it.

This whole debate is shadowed by the many different types of Testosterone and what each form does to the human body.

Testosterone is a chemical, Chemicals in the human body have significant effect. Its not up for debate, you use TRT, you cheat. Maybe not in the eyes of the Athletic commission, but by the laws of general drug usage in sports, you are cheating !!!

Hell, the AC may as well make weed legal as smoking weed would really Enhance a fighters capabilities right ? ... Wrong, weed has the complete opposite effect.

The AC Drug control in MMA is all wrong.

I'm sorry if you can't see my points here, i understand what you are saying, but i do not believe it is regulated the right way. Any fighter who puts chemicals in their body to replace chemicals that are no longer produced in enhancing their bodies abilities in a CONTROLLED way that allows them to train and fight in a way that they could not do if the TRT was not being used.

If that is not cheating, then i don't know what is.



So when you get older and your dick stops working and you take viagra to get a hard-on i guess you're cheating your wife, Because it's not your body naturally producing your wood.....Be glad doctors and scientist are finding ways to keep us younger and healthier.It's legal so deal with it, It's only cheating in your opinion.





Ok Its legal - do you agree with it ???

There is a solution to a limp dick - Viagra. But in taking Viagra, my dick would not get bigger or harder would it !! Taking TRT up to 5 times over what your body used to produce would enhance your body in many ways my friend. Muscle, Power, Strength, Confidence, Flexibility the list goes on ..... That is why TRT is listed as a PED. Viagra is not !!







Yes i agree with it.Because they still have to test within the regulations of what is a normal ratio.

And from what i've heard Viagra does make your dick harder and last longer.But my point being is countering your natural vs unnatural statement.

LightsOUT23 » Posted 12/26/11 6:25:00PM


Posted by iwannabesedated

Yes i agree with it.Because they still have to test within the regulations of what is a normal ratio.

And from what i've heard Viagra does make your dick harder and last longer.But my point being is countering your natural vs unnatural statement.




Viagra would not make you up to 5 times harder and be able to go for up to 5 times longer depending on how many tablets you take would it? .. Probably not, but taking up to 5 times the normal amount of TRT on that proportion does. Your point is valid, it is legal, but i believe its a contradictory of its own ruling on PED's.

Right, well then based on the fact you agree with it as it is within the regulations, let me ask you this, should any drug, i mean any one of the PED's (provided it is controlled up to 5 times) be available to all MMA fighters ??

40ouncetofreedom » Posted 3/29/09 4:31:00PM


Posted by LightsOUT23


Posted by iwannabesedated

Yes i agree with it.Because they still have to test within the regulations of what is a normal ratio.

And from what i've heard Viagra does make your dick harder and last longer.But my point being is countering your natural vs unnatural statement.




Viagra would not make you up to 5 times harder and be able to go for up to 5 times longer depending on how many tablets you take would it? .. Probably not, but taking up to 5 times the normal amount of TRT on that proportion does. Your point is valid, it is legal, but i believe its a contradictory of its own ruling on PED's.

Right, well then based on the fact you agree with it as it is within the regulations, let me ask you this, should any drug, i mean any one of the PED's (provided it is controlled up to 5 times) be available to all MMA fighters ??



Yes as a 'merican we all have individual civil liberties as to what we want to put in our bodies.TRT replaces what is missing not boosting if taken within regulations.So once again it's not an advantage.

LightsOUT23 » Posted 12/26/11 6:25:00PM


Posted by iwannabesedated


Yes as a 'merican we all have individual civil liberties as to what we want to put in our bodies.TRT replaces what is missing not boosting if taken within regulations.So once again it's not an advantage.



Your Individual Civil Liberties play no part what so ever when it comes to a world sport like MMA.

A sport like this in fueled with readily drug usage on all fronts would make this sport in to the complete opposite of what it has become today. Instead of having tough hard working champions like GSP or Jose Aldo, you'd get juiced up flop out has been champions like Alistair Overeem who can't put in a 5 round fight because his gas tank would only last for 2.

This sport would be yesterdays news pretty quick and the Athlete part of this sport would be non existent.

If you believe Juiced up fighters are acceptable then i suggest you move on to worlds strongest man or Mr Universe because this type of activity happens all day at these events.

MMA does not need PED usage. Its wrong and unfair to non users competing at the same level.





40ouncetofreedom » Posted 3/29/09 4:31:00PM

telnights » Posted 6/21/07 4:17:00PM

If your going to use a word like cheating at least have understanding of what the word means.

Cheating : To violate rules deliberately.

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LightsOUT23 » Posted 12/26/11 6:25:00PM


Posted by telnights

If your going to use a word like cheating at least have understanding of what the word means.

Cheating : To violate rules deliberately.



Belfort was caught dosing up on trt in the past and was dealt with accordingly. He's a cheater. He violated the rules deliberately.

Case in point right there !!!

Chael_Sonnen » Posted 5/25/10 12:40:00PM


Posted by LightsOUT23


Posted by telnights

If your going to use a word like cheating at least have understanding of what the word means.

Cheating : To violate rules deliberately.



Belfort was caught dosing up on trt in the past and was dealt with accordingly. He's a cheater. He violated the rules deliberately.

Case in point right there !!!



It APPARENTLY didn't help him stuff a takedown against Hendo....case in point....plus he didn't file the NECESSARY paperwork prior to the fight....another case in point.

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