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timothyera » Posted 3/13/09 12:55:00PM

The dictionary defines submission as the acknowledgement of the legitimacy of the power of one's superior or superiors. Anyone else think that when a fighter refuses to tap out or give up the result should be considered a TKO? What I mean is they did not "submit" to their opponent, they did not give up. They did not "acknowledge" that the other fighter is better, even though that is the case. I know a TKO is a technical "knock out", but I was watching 300 the other day and when King Leonidas says "submission, now thats a bit of a problem", it got me thinking. I would not want the record to show that I submitted to another person when I only passed out. I know this will never change but does anyone else feel the same way?

grappler0000 » Posted 3/24/07 5:29:00PM

If it's recorded properly, it should say technical submission.

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timothyera » Posted 3/13/09 12:55:00PM

Yeah your right that makes sense. Guess that slipped my mind. I remember Tom Lawlor not tapping out in his last fight and it does say technical submission on his record at sherdog. Thanks!

kopower » Posted 7/3/07 12:31:00AM

Perfect topic for tonights bone breaking result.

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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in the playground is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no props, and may the mods have mercy on your soul.


Geoffo » Posted 10/24/11 8:02:00PM


Posted by timothyera

The dictionary defines submission as the acknowledgement of the legitimacy of the power of one's superior or superiors. Anyone else think that when a fighter refuses to tap out or give up the result should be considered a TKO? What I mean is they did not "submit" to their opponent, they did not give up. They did not "acknowledge" that the other fighter is better, even though that is the case. I know a TKO is a technical "knock out", but I was watching 300 the other day and when King Leonidas says "submission, now thats a bit of a problem", it got me thinking. I would not want the record to show that I submitted to another person when I only passed out. I know this will never change but does anyone else feel the same way?



If someone cares about whats written on paper enough to be bothered by it, chances are the fighter isn't focused or a good fighter anyways.

bjj1605 » Posted 10/11/07 4:18:00PM

Technically you might have a point.

But in MMA, a "submission" is a particular hold. Its simply better for recording keeping purposes because it shows if it was a "submission HOLD" or if it was due to strikes. Regardless of whether or not they tap.

poppa_gump » Posted 7/1/10 9:33:00PM

I fully agree that it should be known as a (tech) submission so that when guys like Joe Rogan mention their records that it is know as that and not a TKO.



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