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pv3Hpv3p
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I had brought this up in another thread, but thought it might be worth throwing it out there again to see if ya'all had any thought on the subject...
I noticed that Rich is Anderson's first rematch (please correct me if I'm wrong and throw out most of this thread in that case)... Normally I wouldn't have thought twice about this, but it keeps mulling around in my head...
first and foremost let me say, Anderson is one of the most dominant and exciting champs I have seen in a long time... He has a well rounded game and maybe the sickest MT in the MMA world...
With that said, I'd like to bring us all back to their first encounter and remember Rich's words... "I think I can beat him in the clinch"... As he and we all found out was a BAD GAMEPLAN... Now if we take into account a few things here...
1) Rich is a smart person and fighter... It's hard to imagine him making the same mistake twice
2) With the evolution of MMA, I think we've see from guys like Randy and Rampage that a sound gameplan is paramount to winning in octagon
3) Does Rich know what to expect and can he capatalize on this one little thing that might give him an advantage in this fight?
Sorry about the poll guys, hit the wrong button and now I can't edit it 
Last edited 9/19/07 5:17PM by pv3Hpv3p
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Post #1 9/19/07 5:16:56PM
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NatedawgThaM
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Rich will last and extra round but still will get KTFO! Anderson pin point accuracy is just overwhelming and he hits HARD! The only way I can see Rich winning is pulling a forrest griffin at 72 jab and jump out or LNP 5 rounds....
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Post #2 9/19/07 5:32:56PM
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loonytnt
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i think rich will do good in this fight
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Post #3 9/19/07 5:40:16PM
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Lay_N_Pray
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Anderson Silva is too dangerous on the ground for Franklin honestly...Franklins only chance is to box, and I mean that in the most literal sense possible. He needs to do a lot of jabbing and sticking from the outside, and he needs to throw in some leg kicks and not look for a KO.
If Franklin can successfully score from the outside and pepper him with some low leg kicks he can win a decision. But I think Rich is gonna want to go for the KO and end up getting KO'd himself in the process.
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Post #4 9/19/07 6:04:26PM
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Posted by Lay_N_Pray
Anderson Silva is too dangerous on the ground for Franklin honestly...Franklins only chance is to box, and I mean that in the most literal sense possible. He needs to do a lot of jabbing and sticking from the outside, and he needs to throw in some leg kicks and not look for a KO.
If Franklin can successfully score from the outside and pepper him with some low leg kicks he can win a decision. But I think Rich is gonna want to go for the KO and end up getting KO'd himself in the process.
I disagree...Franklin's best chance at winning is GnP. There is no other game plan that will work for him. I know it will be hard for him to abandon the standup, since that's how he likes to do business, but he knows it's what he has to do. I just hope his pride doesn't get the best of him.
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Post #5 9/19/07 6:13:51PM
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Mastodon2
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Anderson knows that Rich will do everything to avoid the clinch, and will most likely have worked on clinch defense and escape so he won't get wrecked (as quickly) if Anderson locks it on. Rich is probably working on his GnP or his LnP to get a win over Anderson, so I would bet that Anderson has improved something in his game to surprise Rich again.
Anderson's skills are just so far ahead of Rich's atm that I don't see Rich being able to really dominate in any area. Rich could catch Anderson with a submission, but I don't think Silva will hang around on the ground long enough for Rich to get that, or to get much GnP or LnP in. I see it as unlikely that Anderson will get caught on his feet too, his Muay Thai is pretty slick and greasy, he has done an ace job of translating MT into MMA.
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Post #6 9/19/07 6:33:54PM
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its hard to game plan vs someone whos fights end soooo fast we havent scratched the surface on what this dude has
Ivote Anderson Silva Pound4pound the best fighter in the world if fedor doesnt fight for a while
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Post #7 9/19/07 6:35:38PM
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Posted by SpiderSilva
Ivote Anderson Silva Pound4pound the best fighter in the world if fedor doesnt fight for a while
I don't see how you can make that assumption, since the UFC middleweight division has a somewhat disappointing roster. I'd like to see him fight others before even thinking of him as number one P4P. Is he in the top 5 P4P? Easily.
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Post #8 9/19/07 7:44:31PM
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johny_rotten
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Posted by pv3Hpv3p
I had brought this up in another thread, but thought it might be worth throwing it out there again to see if ya'all had any thought on the subject...
I noticed that Rich is Anderson's first rematch (please correct me if I'm wrong and throw out most of this thread in that case)... Normally I wouldn't have thought twice about this, but it keeps mulling around in my head...
first and foremost let me say, Anderson is one of the most dominant and exciting champs I have seen in a long time... He has a well rounded game and maybe the sickest MT in the MMA world...
With that said, I'd like to bring us all back to their first encounter and remember Rich's words... "I think I can beat him in the clinch"... As he and we all found out was a BAD GAMEPLAN... Now if we take into account a few things here...
1) Rich is a smart person and fighter... It's hard to imagine him making the same mistake twice
2) With the evolution of MMA, I think we've see from guys like Randy and Rampage that a sound gameplan is paramount to winning in octagon
3) Does Rich know what to expect and can he capatalize on this one little thing that might give him an advantage in this fight?
Sorry about the poll guys, hit the wrong button and now I can't edit it
I don't see Rich making the mistake of thinking he can dominate with power on the inside, but he will still suffer the same fate. Randy is able o game plan victories because he exploits a weakness in his opponents games that will allow him to utilize the part of his game that is better than his opponents. In Rich's case I don't think this applies because there is not one aspect of MMA Rich is better at than Anderson. The other problem is Anderson hasn't shown a weakness in about 4 years. His last real loss to Chonnan he didn't resemble the fighter he is today.
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Post #9 9/19/07 8:03:38PM
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I think Richs ground game is his best chance. Rich has 9 wins by submission compared to Andersons 3. Half of Andersons 4 losses have came by submission.
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Post #10 9/20/07 10:18:35AM
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Junior24
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Maybe this is not relative, but do you realize Dan Henderson is the Pride's MW champ. The same division Anderson fought in.
Henderson will kill Anderson. Im sorry but, Rich is not that great to me. Top 10? Probably. But no where in the class of Hendo and Anderson.
Hendo will go back to his natural weightclass and run through the MW division.
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Post #11 9/20/07 11:25:12AM
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raindrops21
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Ok, here's my thoughts on this fight.
If you go back and watch Silva/Franklin I and Silva's subsequent fights, you'll notice a few things about Silva.
1) Franklin was winning the stand-up before Silva locked in the clinch.
Before you flame me to death. Go back and watch the fight. Rich was landing some nice 1-2 combinations and at one point rocked Silva with a straight shot down the middle. Silva shakes his head, like he's trying to shake the cobwebs out, and then proceeds to move in quickly to grab the clinch. We all know what happened next as Rich thought he was going to power out of it.
2) Silva's ground game isn't what everyone thinks it is.
I don't think Silva can submit Franklin. Many people have questioned Silva's black belt BJJ status saying it was more of a gift from the Nogueira brothers. In my opinion, Lutter exposed Silva's ground game. Knee surgery aside, Lutter was able to take Silva down and pass his guard pretty easily. If that would've been Franklin sitting on Silva in the mount, that fight would've been over. To me, the only danger for Franklin on the ground against Silva is the upkicks. They are devastating and can hurt you bad. Lutter suffered those kicks before he was caught in the triangle. He received a few upkicks and fell into the triangle pretty much.
3) Silva has very little wrestling skill and weak takedown defense.
Rich should be able to takedown Silva without much of a problem. He'll have to watch out for knees on the way in (Carlos Newton), but this goes back to my point that he should set up his takedown with a few punches, but stay away from the clinch.
Now don't get me wrong, Silva can win this fight as well, these are just my keys for Franklin to win.
For Silva to win, he needs to:
1) Keep the fight standing.
Anderson's pin point striking and devastating Muay Thai are second to hardly anyone in the fight game today. In order to be successful against Rich, he's going to have to use some strikes to close the distance and set up his devastating clinch. He should expect Rich to try to take him down and look for an opportunity for a knee strike on the way in.
2) Tie up on the bottom.
Rich has good ground control, and will look to utilize his ground and pound to wear Silva down. I don't think Silva has a good enough ground game to catch Rich in a submission, so I think his best bet would be to tie up Rich and work for a stand-up. He should also try to utilize the cage to work to getting the fight back to the feet. If he can separate Rich, he should look to land some of his devastating upkicks to try and end the fight.
3) The longer the fight goes the worse it is for Silva.
Rich's conditioning is second to none and the longer this fight goes, the worse it's going to be for Silva. I expect him to be on his back a while in this fight and if he keeps getting taken down and trying to work from the bottom to get to his feet, he's going to extend a lot of energy. We all know Rich can go five rounds, the question is, can Silva? He should look to close the gap early and look for an opportunity to end this fight quickly. If he gets the clinch, he should be prepared to start firing immediately, because Rich will definitely have a defense and a gameplan for that this time around.
So, all in all, I think this is a closer fight than most people are saying. Rich can definitely win if he utilizes a sound gameplan and stays away from Silva's devastating clinch. Silva needs to work on getting that clinch and keeping the fight on it's feet. Look for Silva to use more kicks this time around too keep Franklin off guard and guessing.
Great fight and I'm looking forward to it.
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Post #12 9/20/07 11:30:58AM
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jocka
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I see Anderson going through Franklin once again, maybee its gonna take a bit longer but i don t see how Frankin could beat him maybee one lucky punch but i dont see that happening. Good luck to Franklin hes stil a agood guy
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Post #13 9/20/07 11:34:19AM
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johny_rotten
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I didn't want to quote you because your post was so long, ughh!!! Franklin doesn't possess the takedown/wresteling skill that Nate M. has, and Nate couldn't hold Anderson down either. You question Anderson's black belt, but then mention he submitted a fellow black belt. Rich doesn't have a black belt to even question. The only point you made that I agree with is that the longer this fight goes the better chance Franklin has. He is a cardio machine, and has gone the distance in a title fight before. this is the only advantage Rich has.
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Post #14 9/20/07 2:52:10PM
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Posted by johny_rotten
The only point you made that I agree with is that the longer this fight goes the better chance Franklin has. He is a cardio machine, and has gone the distance in a title fight before. this is the only advantage Rich has.
Point taken, but one can question how that cardio will hold up after eating a number of Silva's punches, kicks and knees.
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