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The_Grim_Reaper
MMA Regular
Career record: 150-94
Season: 42-26 (#1539)
Location: nh, ct, usa
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Who will be victorious at UFC's 74 event Mirko "Cro Cop" or the dangerous French striker Cheick Kongo? I beileve that Cheick Kongo will win via tko / ko because i beileve his striking is superior to that of Mirko's, if Mirko loses this fight i'm afraid it might be his last because i don't know if he can handle another loss of this magnitude like that of the Gonzaga fight, which would suck because Mirko is a great fighter
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Post #1 8/10/07 9:00:27AM
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Mastodon2
MMA Sensei
Career record: 183-108
Season: 32-23 (#4471)
Location: Newcastle England
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Hold on, you think that Kongo has better striking than Mirko?
Sure, Kongo is better in the clinch, but in open striking Mirko is clearly better, Mirko was one of K-1s best, which is the gold star of striking, the same cannot be said of Kongo, I doubt Kongo could even come close hanging with the K-1 elite.
Mirko will destroy Kongo.
FILIPOVIC ON FIRE!
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Post #2 8/10/07 9:09:14AM
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LR
In Full Mount
Career record: 126-63
Season: 6-3 (#7445)
Location: Illinois
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After seeing the photos of Mirko's training camp, with the full Octagon, and knowing his two training partners are world class striking and ju-jitsu coaches, I will take Mirko in this fight. Not only does he have one of the best striking games in MMA, he will now have an added BJJ ground game. It's going to be a rude awakening for the UFC, and fans who are counting Mirko out because he took one loss to a UFC heavyweight.
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Post #3 8/10/07 9:29:20AM
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Twenty20Dollars
MMA Sensei
Career record: 168-91
Season: 47-23 (#640)
Location: KC,MO
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Im not doubting mirko at all. But I just think Kongo is going to catch him. He's going to find his range, work from the clinch and possibly from there get 1 takedown for a little ground n pound to end the first and then ko in the second. But thats just my gut opinion.
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Post #4 8/10/07 11:47:37AM
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The Cowboys Mod
Career record: 142-101
Season: 41-29 (#1705)
Location: Maryland
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Cro Cop should win unless Kongo can find and quickly capitalize on an opening like Gonzaga did in getting the KO. I think there's a lesser chance of it happening this time but if Kongo's been watching that fight a lot he'll have a good idea of how to make it happen.
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Post #5 8/10/07 11:54:10AM
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peachfuzzz1305
Banned
Career record: 35-21
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Hawaii
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WTF 
How is Kongo ' S Striking Supirior
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Post #6 8/10/07 12:05:24PM
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LR
In Full Mount
Career record: 126-63
Season: 6-3 (#7445)
Location: Illinois
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It really is amazing how people are claiming Mirko's striking is subpar to Kongo's. Even after reading article about his training and how Yvel and Lister thought Mirko's standup degraded by 50% over the past few fights, he was still a superior striker even in the downgrade. He's going to be coming back even meaner this time around.
Kongo also was hesitant, and was bad against Assuerio Silva. He had multiple chances to finish, and didn't. If it was more convincing of a win, I would have to say it's possible.
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Post #7 8/10/07 12:21:26PM
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chadtruitt1979
MMA Regular
Career record: 48-28
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Oceanside, CA
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Mirko is going to kill Kongo
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Post #8 8/10/07 12:55:34PM
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ocho-cinco
In Full Mount
Career record: 180-104
Season: 40-30 (#1511)
Location: Nelson BC
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Kongo is a very good striker, but were talking about Cro Cop here. The guy loses one fight and all of a sudden he's isn't a deadly striker. Sure he got cought by Gonzaga but everyone gets cought now and then. St. Pierre got cought, and everyone knows he can still strike with the best of them. Liddell got cought and nobody has questioned his stand up game. Lets give Mirko a little credit here.
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Post #9 8/10/07 1:03:06PM
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EBG
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 28-26
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Mirko has the most technically sound striking I've ever seen in MMA. Kongo has tremendous striking, but Mirko's striking is/was K-1 level. Not just K-1 level, elite K-1 level.
The reason people believe Kongo has a good chance at winning this fight is that it should be pure stand up and Cro Cop has been KO'd by much lesser strikers, as well he has looked sluggish against opponents that pushed the pace more than he'd like. But at the same time, Mirko doesn't have to worry about Kongo taking him down. People are thinking that Mirko will get caught and get KO'd, because Kongo is the best striker he's fought in a long time. Personally, I think people are skipping over the fact that since Kongo most likely won't be looking for any takedowns, Mirko is going to be all stand up as well and we could see a level a striking from Mirko we haven't seen since his K-1 days.
EDIT: Even if Kongo does want to go for a takedown, lets not forget who has some of, if not THE best, takedown defence in MMA. Mirko Cro Cop.
Good luck, Cheick.
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Post #10 8/10/07 1:30:21PM
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The best kicker in the world
Career record: 170-89
Season: 37-18 (#2479)
Location: Regina SK
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Mirko's striking will improve by at least 20% because of who he's training with, and he has the cage. There won't be anyone who can run away like eddie anymore, because Mirko will cut the ring off and circle muuuch differently. He will also have knees(I garentee you can't train with remy and not pick up some knees). He's going to see so many more dynamic things in training then he will from kongo. He's got one of the best strikers in the world with him, who has a pretty much identicle body type as kongo. Then theres the fact that kongo keeps his hands about chest hight(watch his fights). I think Mirko's going to KO cheick in one round, he's still got the fire(you have to to train with Yvel and Bonjasky).
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Post #11 8/10/07 1:31:40PM
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LR
In Full Mount
Career record: 126-63
Season: 6-3 (#7445)
Location: Illinois
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Posted by EBG
Mirko has the most technically sound striking I've ever seen in MMA. Kongo has tremendous striking, but Mirko's striking is/was K-1 level. Not just K-1 level, elite K-1 level.
The reason people believe Kongo has a good chance at winning this fight is that it should be pure stand up and Cro Cop has been KO'd by much lesser strikers, as well he has looked sluggish against opponents that pushed the pace more than he'd like. But at the same time, Mirko doesn't have to worry about Kongo taking him down. People are thinking that Mirko will get caught and get KO'd, because Kongo is the best striker he's fought in a long time. Personally, I think people are skipping over the fact that since Kongo most likely won't be looking for any takedowns, Mirko is going to be all stand up as well and we could see a level a striking from Mirko we haven't seen since his K-1 days.
EDIT: Even if Kongo does want to go for a takedown, lets not forget who has some of, if not THE best, takedown defence in MMA. Mirko Cro Cop.
Good luck, Cheick.
I totally agree with this post. Not only was he an elite K-1 fighter, he beat some unbelievably elite strikers.
But here's where I get rubbed the wrong way by the MMA fans who don't do any research or care to know. Cheick Kongo is 10-3-1 and CroCop is 22-5-2. So in the minds of some MMA fans, Cheick has better striking because he is a pure striker and he has a better record. That's just ignorant considering CroCop has fought 29 MMA fights, PLUS 23 fights in K-1. He has more experience and I guarantee if Cheick Kongo had that many fights, he's probably have lost over 15 fights, if not more. CroCop has also showcased his knockout power, quick reflexes, great defensive techniques and displayed unbelievable ability to avoid most of Fedor's GnP for an entire fight.
Also, CroCop is being trained by Werdum, Lister, Yvel, the list goes on, but the articles fail to mention one thing. Yvel KO'd Kongo, so maybe he has insight, and wait, who beat Gonzaga? That's right, Werdum beat him. Seems like CroCop is learning from his mistakes.
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Post #12 8/10/07 1:53:13PM
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pv3Hpv3p
Heavyweight Champ
Career record: 197-141
Season: 37-33 (#2654)
Location: East St. Paul, MN
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CroCops loses:
2 dec: Hunt & Fedor
1 sub: Big Nog
2 KO's: Randleman & Gonzaga
Now lets analyze the two KO losses a little further:
Both of them were to guy's known for their ground game
And if we really think about that, we should ask ourselves the question "If K-1 is full of the best MA strikers, why don't more of them participate in MMA?"
Answer: Because the addition of a ground game gives opponents much more to worry about, and changes some fundamentals as well (ie. stance)...
My only point is that Mirko's only two KO losses came from fighters who possed a considerable ground threat. If you take that away, then it is basically a kickboxing fight... You can look back at the strikers that Mirko has fought... Igor, Herring, Aleks, Wandy... And expect the same result
Here, I toiled away at this equation for a while, but I think I finally got it right
[Kongo = no ground game] X (less experience fighting top notch strikers) = HLreelLHKbyCC
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Post #13 8/10/07 3:07:27PM
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thepunisher
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Career record: 189-115
Season: 24-16 (#4978)
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i think after this fight they are going to find Kongo's head some where in the 25th row
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Post #14 8/10/07 3:21:39PM
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chickmagnet
Standup Guy
Career record: 150-96
Season: 40-25 (#2322)
Location: Cali
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Posted by Twenty20Dollars
Im not doubting mirko at all. But I just think Kongo is going to catch him. He's going to find his range, work from the clinch and possibly from there get 1 takedown for a little ground n pound to end the first and then ko in the second. But thats just my gut opinion.
there both kickboxers, neither of them will shoot or go for a takedown,
Mirko will take out Kongo's legs with strong chopping kicks.....Mirko will
win!!!
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Post #15 8/10/07 3:34:17PM
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