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Frank Shamrock underrated?
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warglory
MMA Sensei
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Posted by LHK
Posted by grappler0000
Frank was phenominal in his prime...2 problems. (1) he's no longer in his prime. (2) the competition has gotten better. He is still a good fighter, just not top 10.
Hendo is lightyears ahead of where he was in that video...not to mention, that was sub wrestling...in MMA Frank wouldn't get past his right hand. I can show you videos of Wandy getting wooped by Belfort and Ortiz, but it doesn't mean the same thing would happen today. The video really proves nothing.
Frank looked pretty good against Baroni...but he was getting beat by Renzo, when he decided to lose by DQ vs decision. I've always like Frank as a fighter, but he lost my respect when he did that. Neither Baroni or Renzo are top 10, so Frank needs to pick better competition before he gets ranked again.
Its your opinion he is no longer in his prime. He was injured against Baroni, not fair to judge. And he was ahead on points against Renzo. He admitted himself he was not familiar with the rules...which is classless and still no excuse, but there is no way he would "lose" on purpose in any way, his ego is too big.
And whether Frank has people's respect or not does not affect his skill level.
And Frank is a better overall striker then Hendo, he would be more then fine on his feet. The video proves a lot...that Frank could hang with an Olympic wrestler on the ground. Sure, it doesn't automatically prove he would win in an MMA fight, but it's a nice measuring stick in one aspect of MMA.
The competion has gotten better...but once again, that doesn't make Frank worse, his abilities are still tops. It just means the matchups would be more interesting.
The video doesn't prove anything. It is like comparing two guys fighting in a bjj competition with gis, to a competition with no gis. Hendo is a good wrestler, but he is a master at MMA. He is one of the few who is able to think a few steps ahead. He is great at determining whether or not he can maintain ground control, and if he decides he cant, he is great at scrambling out.
As far as stand up, I am pretty sure Hendo would whoop Frank. The competition that Dan has had experience with (with which to hone his skills), far outweighs all of Frank's opponents in every way. Hendo is one of the few who has the privilege of fighting the best of the best in TWO weight divisions, and has defeated both of their champions. When Frank was top dog, the competition was simply not as fierce.
I am not going to go as far as saying Frank is washed up, because he still has skill, but I don't think he could last in the top 10. I think even someone like Jason MacDonald would beat him.
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Post #16 7/28/07 4:25:22PM
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LHK
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Posted by warglory
I am not going to go as far as saying Frank is washed up, because he still has skill, but I don't think he could last in the top 10. I think even someone like Jason MacDonald would beat him.
I was going to take your post seriously, but Jason MacDonald made it a joke.
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Post #17 7/28/07 8:39:43PM
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warglory
MMA Sensei
Career record: 169-115
Season: 31-27 (#2819)
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Posted by LHK
Posted by warglory
I am not going to go as far as saying Frank is washed up, because he still has skill, but I don't think he could last in the top 10. I think even someone like Jason MacDonald would beat him.
I was going to take your post seriously, but Jason MacDonald made it a joke.
Seriously, what makes you think that Shamrock is so fierce in 2007? Why do you say he is underrated? I mean we see people all the time saying Tito isn't a quality warrior anymore based on the fact he hasn't beaten any quality competition in awhile. Frank is the same way, except I should rephrase the question for his sake: When was the last time Frank simply fought quality competition, let alone beat them.
I am not saying you are wrong man, I just think your reasoning is a bit over the top.
And Jason MacDonald is a quality fighter.
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Post #18 7/29/07 3:50:20AM
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