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Posted by AchillesHeel
No, I know Van Damme (in his prime) might do well because of his full-contact kickboxing experience, and because of his knowledge of Muay Thai.
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Chuck Zito might have something to say about that.
But, I know what you are saying...he practices a proven MA that works. We all know that Kickboxing works. We see it at work in MMA daily. It's what people train for the standup game...cuz it works. People have had success in MMA who come from a Kickboxing background.
JKD is a completely different animal. Lee was on the right track, as he was able to see that most of the Karate and Kung Fu in the world was nothing but junk. He created something better, but not anything near the best. Nobody in MMA trains JKD for a reason...there are better options. There has never been a dominant JKD fighter in MMA...and yes there were a couple in early UFC...and that was when their opponents were still one dimensional. JKD didn't make the cut, as was the case with most of the MA's introduced at that time.
I keep hearing people point out that Dana White said that Bruce Lee was the father of Mixed Martial Arts...yes, this is somewhat true. Lee did in fact take several disciplines and refine them into a more efficient and effective brand of MA. When people think of Martial Arts, the first person to come to mind is always Bruce Lee. If Bruce Lee wasn't a movie star, would we hold him to the same standard as we do? He gets credited will all sorts of stunning feats...and sometimes they are as ridiculous as the Chuck Norris facts...yet some people still believe them all. I've got a question. Why is the guy who developed Sambo not considered the the father of Mixed Martial Arts? Sambo was developed with a similar methodology as JKD. It is much more effective than JKD is...if you care to argue this point, please compare the track records first. And Sambo was developed even before Lee was born. Why isn't the guy who invented Sambo the father of Mixed Martial Arts...probably just because he is not a household name. (similar arguments could also be made about catch wrestling or pankration)
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Post #61 7/6/07 12:59:21AM
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besides van damme never fought
wasnt he a ballet dancer
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Post #62 7/6/07 3:52:47AM
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Posted by nWo
besides van damme never fought
wasnt he a ballet dancer
I think better we drop the Van Dammne thing...Before theres a thread posted asking where you would rank him in todays MMA!
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Post #63 7/6/07 5:23:06AM
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Posted by nWo
Bruce Lee never fought(ONE BOXING MATCH WHEN HE WAS 18)
dont you understand HE WAS AN ACTOR NOT A FIGHTER,
to convince you to go watch his movie
many people would say he was a badass(SPIN)
ITS CALLED PROPAGANDA
TANK ABBOTT WOULD KILL BRUCE LEE AS WOULD ANY REAL MIXED MARTIAL ARTIST
"We timed him with an electric timer once"
wow an electric timer huh?
Ok find me 10 martial artists who can beat a boxing champion who has held their belt for an extended period of time currently practicing MMA. Your arguments are utterly devoid of logic and you type everything in uppercase letters, it's hard to take anything you say seriously. Tank abbott might kill bruce lee, but I don't see a whole lot of featherweights fighting heavyweights these days personally... don't know what MMA orgs you're watching.
Obviously if he could step into the ring with a champion who's held a belt in a discipline he didn't practice for three years and beat him at the age of 18 he must have been the real deal. Your own logic proves you wrong. "ONE BOXING MATCH WHEN HE WAS 18" right? Must've been pretty amazing if it was the only boxing match he'd ever had in his life and he beat the reigning champion. Can you find me some actors who can do that please? Obviously he wasn't just an actor.
He was so fast and unbelievably strong for his size that his standup would be lightyears ahead of anyone in his weightclass. He would hit like a LHW, and provided he developed a sprawl (which would be incredibly easy given his reaction time and natural ability) and even a sub-par submission defense I think he would actually be one of the best fighters in the sport at his weight.
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Post #64 7/6/07 6:08:46AM
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Posted by nWo
Bruce Lee never fought(ONE BOXING MATCH WHEN HE WAS 18)
dont you understand HE WAS AN ACTOR NOT A FIGHTER,
to convince you to go watch his movie
many people would say he was a badass(SPIN)
ITS CALLED PROPAGANDA
TANK ABBOTT WOULD KILL BRUCE LEE AS WOULD ANY REAL MIXED MARTIAL ARTIST
"We timed him with an electric timer once"
wow an electric timer huh?
Ok find me 10 martial artists who can beat a boxing champion who has held their belt for an extended period of time currently practicing MMA. Your arguments are utterly devoid of logic and you type everything in uppercase letters, it's hard to take anything you say seriously. Tank abbott might kill bruce lee, but I don't see a whole lot of featherweights fighting heavyweights these days personally... don't know what MMA orgs you're watching.
Obviously if he could step into the ring with a champion who's held a belt in a discipline he didn't practice for three years and beat him at the age of 18 he must have been the real deal. Your own logic proves you wrong. "ONE BOXING MATCH WHEN HE WAS 18" right? Must've been pretty amazing if it was the only boxing match he'd ever had in his life and he beat the reigning champion. Can you find me some actors who can do that please? Obviously he wasn't just an actor.
He was so fast and unbelievably strong for his size that his standup would be lightyears ahead of anyone in his weightclass. He would hit like a LHW, and provided he developed a sprawl (which would be incredibly easy given his reaction time and natural ability) and even a sub-par submission defense I think he would actually be one of the best fighters in the sport at his weight.
Sherk
Penn
FLorian
"REIGNING CHAMPION"
idot it was reigning junior college champion who was only 19(musta been amazing)
your nuthugging a movie star WHO NEVER FOUGHT!
NOONE IN UFC IS A JKD MASTER,? WONDER WHY.?
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Post #65 7/6/07 3:24:43PM
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Bruce Lee is a legend and JKD was a major break through ... he was the first traditional Martial Artist to begin to mix arts ... he was fast and strong ... I think if he was 18 today, he could become a competitive professional mixed martial artist.
But the answer to the question in this thread is if you took Bruce Lee off the silver screen and threw him in the cage against BJ Penn or Sean Sherk, he would get taken down and beaten/choked unconscious.
JKD was a great break through, and you can use some of his techniques in MMA ... it was the first to be truly streetwise, Jeet Kune Do takes its most effective principals from such arts as Boxing, Muay-Thai kickboxing, Wing Chun kung fu, Jiu-Jitsu, Filipino Kali and Eskrima, Savate, Shoot Fighting and others. Jeet Kune Do trains in all ranges of combat: Kicking Range, Boxing Range, Trapping Range, Grappling Range, and how to flow from one range to the next.
That being said, it is far less effective because the sport of MMA has developed and Lee started JKD well beofre MMA even existed ... if he had stayed alive, and continued to evolve what he had started, it would be another story.
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Post #66 7/6/07 4:05:57PM
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Posted by nWo
NOONE IN UFC IS A JKD MASTER,? WONDER WHY.?
I've watched you post nonsensically in this thread long enough... everyone in MMA is a JKD master, if you knew anything about Bruce Lee, and the impact he had on MMA you would know this.
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Post #67 7/6/07 4:29:16PM
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For further reading there was another thread on this topic
Other thread
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Post #68 7/6/07 4:44:07PM
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Posted by snydes
You know Van Damme would do that well either even tho he won that Tourny in Blood Sport...
Steven Seagal is a "Shichi-Dan" (7th-degree black belt) in Aikido.
Just going off on a tangent here. Seagal's rank is mostly due to his promotion of aikido through film and less to do with his skill. However, I've been doing aikido for years and can say that real video footage of him shows that he is very talented regardless of rank.
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Post #69 7/6/07 4:48:50PM
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Posted by nWo
NOONE IN UFC IS A JKD MASTER,? WONDER WHY.?
I've watched you post nonsensically in this thread long enough... everyone in MMA is a JKD master, if you knew anything about Bruce Lee, and the impact he had on MMA you would know this.
Even the gracies?
A lot of them in MMA.
BJJ>JKD
and was made long before bruce was even a baby
as was lancashire wrestling(saku)
pankration dates back 2000 years
and are still being used
noone uses jkd
so go back to watching tuf and enter the dragon
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Post #70 7/6/07 5:05:57PM
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Guys come on. I don't want to see another multi page thread deleted.
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Post #71 7/6/07 5:41:26PM
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Posted by Rush
Guys come on. I don't want to see another multi page thread deleted.
why would it get deleted?
noone is flaming
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Post #72 7/6/07 6:07:47PM
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I'm tempted to start, but I'll just walk away, because you obviously have a magical shield that prevents any logic from entering your head.
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Post #73 7/6/07 7:11:54PM
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Posted by Aether
I'm tempted to start, but I'll just walk away, because you obviously have a magical shield that prevents any logic from entering your head.
just give me a fight any fight
besides 1 BOXING MATCH WHEN HE WAS 18 OVER THEN 19 YEAR OLD REIGNING CHAMPION(how long was he reigning @ 19)
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Post #74 7/6/07 7:37:46PM
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Posted by nWo
Posted by Aether
I'm tempted to start, but I'll just walk away, because you obviously have a magical shield that prevents any logic from entering your head.
just give me a fight any fight
besides 1 BOXING MATCH WHEN HE WAS 18 OVER THEN 19 YEAR OLD REIGNING CHAMPION(how long was he reigning @ 19)
Does it have to be professional? Look at someone like Kimbo Slice, the dude has one professional fight, does that mean he never fought besides that one fight?
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