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Darryl Vasquez of Bakersfield high, California's only 4x state champion, give it up give it up!!!!!!!!

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Did you even bother to read what I said? Read it again.

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Did you even bother to read what I said? Read it again.



yeah I read over it again and I went and edited my post, why dont you read it again aswell. Its two post back , the last one posted on page 1

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I don't know if I read this wrong but answer me this. We are talking about state high school champions and Rogan said 8 time? Does this not imply that you would have to be in high school for 8 years? Also, if that is the case, being that Joe Rogan is a comedian maybe it was a joke?

Anyways, this thread is way over my head otherwise...

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Bro I dont think Im anything like Cael Sanderson or anthing like that at all, and didnt mean to come off like I thought I was some bad ass wrestler. All I was trying to get across after you said something like I must be a current California wrestler and something liek ot ever possibly competetin against midwest wrestlers. All I was trying to show was that I have seen them and wrestled against them over the years and have seen California place much higher year after year in Fargo.



Damn people this is the locker room right, a place were you can post off the wall shit that bugged you or whatever else you feel like saying. My whole point was Joe made a statement referring to how its tougher to be a state champion in Oklahoma, and that I think Rogan does a good job and has a lot of knowledge of combat sports but on this rare occasion he was wrong.

You got me 0000000000000grappler, I took it to heart probably because I was a California wrestler, so what. I posted the topic because Im proud to have grown up wrestling in California and know first hand that its tougher to win 4 state titles here than in any other state. I dont know how the stats and facts could be anymore clear, infact heres a list of all of Oklahomas 4x high school state champs over the years.

Mike Bizzle (130) Cascia Hall 2002-2005
Ryan Henning (135) Tuttle 2001-2004
Brandon Tucker (112) Broken Arrow 2000-2003
Derrick Fleenor (119) El Reno 1999-2002
Teyon Ware (135) Edmond North 1999-2002
Clark Shouse (140) Morrison 1997-2000
Matt Grice (152) Harrah 1997-2000
Matt Bean (145) Mustang 1996-1999
Shane Roller (160) Bixby 1995-1998
Jeff Henning (171) Tuttle 1995-1998
Michael Lightner (130) Marlow 1993-1996
Steve Elkins (142) Madill 1992-1995
Jerry Best (136) Chandler 1988-1991
T. J. Jaworsky (123) Edmond 1987-1990
Kyle Rosebure (136) McAlester 1984-1987
Todd Chesbro (157) Stillwater 1984-1987
Kenny Monday (141) Tulsa Washington 1977-1980
Cecil Beisel (HWT) Perry 1975-1978
Leonard Shelton (HWT) Ponca City 1937-1940


Oh yeah did I mention theres only been 1 4x champ in California.

Hmm I wonder were its harder to be a 4x champ?

000000grappler I kknow your gonna say Im missing the point, I think you missed my point I mean it was my Topic post, and Rogan wasnt referring to the tradition or intensity he was stating that its more prestigious and more difficult to be a 4x Oklahoma champ, being a 4x champ in Oklahoma is like being an 8x champ in California is exactly what he said. I dont think that he was referring to anything else other than its tougher to win state in Oklahoma. It doesnt matter if he pulled California out of his ass just to make a point. On this rare occasion Rogan didnt know what he was talking about. I agree with you that wrestling in the midwest and might carrie more tradition and might get in the paper and all that shit more than here in California, and thats cool and all but so what.



Were going to have to agree to disagree on this one... You saying that theres only been one 4 time state champ can be taken both ways. Either there is tougher competition in Ca, like you will say, or the top caliber wrestlers in states like Oklahoma, Iowa, Pennsylvania, are more dominant, thus leading to their multiple state titles, like I would say.

As far as your own wrestling accolades? I read them, and you have been some places, and I am legitimately impressed. I dont want to not acknowledge that.

All of this being said, collegiate style wrestling is a struggling sport, and Im glad to have a real advocate for the sport on the site. Im sure we will talk grappling again!

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Posted by mmadb

I don't know if I read this wrong but answer me this. We are talking about state high school champions and Rogan said 8 time? Does this not imply that you would have to be in high school for 8 years? Also, if that is the case, being that Joe Rogan is a comedian maybe it was a joke?

Anyways, this thread is way over my head otherwise...



This whole thread is based on Rogan valuing a state title from OK more then a state title from CA. One could make the argument either way, but there is not way to compare. The evidence given so far is suspect at best and no solid conclusions can be drawn from it. Comparing the sets of wrestlers from each state is impossible and even if it were, what would you be comparing them on. Would you face the state champs against one another and see which won, I can assure you it would vary. The depth of a weight class varies from year to year and a great wrestler can come from anywhere. I would say RI has a chance to turn out an all-star team and crush OK and CA, but it is not likely due to the few number in the total pool of wrestlers. I would say that the average wrestler in OK is better then the average wrestler in CA only because of the sports popularity in OK and the lack there of in CA. There may be a fraction of the schools in OK, but there are 3X more people competing for spots. This scenario invalidates your comparison.

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Posted by mmadb

I don't know if I read this wrong but answer me this. We are talking about state high school champions and Rogan said 8 time? Does this not imply that you would have to be in high school for 8 years? Also, if that is the case, being that Joe Rogan is a comedian maybe it was a joke?

Anyways, this thread is way over my head otherwise...



This whole thread is based on Rogan valuing a state title from OK more then a state title from CA. One could make the argument either way, but there is not way to compare. The evidence given so far is suspect at best and no solid conclusions can be drawn from it. Comparing the sets of wrestlers from each state is impossible and even if it were, what would you be comparing them on. Would you face the state champs against one another and see which won, I can assure you it would vary. The depth of a weight class varies from year to year and a great wrestler can come from anywhere. I would say RI has a chance to turn out an all-star team and crush OK and CA, but it is not likely due to the few number in the total pool of wrestlers. I would say that the average wrestler in OK is better then the average wrestler in CA only because of the sports popularity in OK and the lack there of in CA. There may be a fraction of the schools in OK, but there are 3X more people competing for spots. This scenario invalidates your comparison.



Im really starting to like this guy, lol

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Posted by mmadb

I don't know if I read this wrong but answer me this. We are talking about state high school champions and Rogan said 8 time? Does this not imply that you would have to be in high school for 8 years? Also, if that is the case, being that Joe Rogan is a comedian maybe it was a joke?

Anyways, this thread is way over my head otherwise...



No, it wasn't intended as a joke. The only reason that Joe used 8x was he was essentially trying to say that it's twice as difficult to be a 4x state champ in OK as it is in most other states. He wasn't literally saying that it's twice as hard to be a 4x in Oklahoma as is California. In the end, he could've probably used a better state as an example, but I got the gist of what he was saying.

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Messing up once isn't really a big thing. He is an excellent announcer and has learned so much about MMA since he first started. He knows more than a lot of us actually...

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Messing up once isn't really a big thing. He is an excellent announcer and has learned so much about MMA since he first started. He knows more than a lot of us actually...



Yeah, it's a very minor error...if you even want to call it that. We're just busting bt155lbs' chops a little over it. It's all in good fun

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Bro I dont think Im anything like Cael Sanderson or anthing like that at all, and didnt mean to come off like I thought I was some bad ass wrestler. All I was trying to get across after you said something like I must be a current California wrestler and something liek ot ever possibly competetin against midwest wrestlers. All I was trying to show was that I have seen them and wrestled against them over the years and have seen California place much higher year after year in Fargo.



Damn people this is the locker room right, a place were you can post off the wall shit that bugged you or whatever else you feel like saying. My whole point was Joe made a statement referring to how its tougher to be a state champion in Oklahoma, and that I think Rogan does a good job and has a lot of knowledge of combat sports but on this rare occasion he was wrong.

You got me 0000000000000grappler, I took it to heart probably because I was a California wrestler, so what. I posted the topic because Im proud to have grown up wrestling in California and know first hand that its tougher to win 4 state titles here than in any other state. I dont know how the stats and facts could be anymore clear, infact heres a list of all of Oklahomas 4x high school state champs over the years.

Mike Bizzle (130) Cascia Hall 2002-2005
Ryan Henning (135) Tuttle 2001-2004
Brandon Tucker (112) Broken Arrow 2000-2003
Derrick Fleenor (119) El Reno 1999-2002
Teyon Ware (135) Edmond North 1999-2002
Clark Shouse (140) Morrison 1997-2000
Matt Grice (152) Harrah 1997-2000
Matt Bean (145) Mustang 1996-1999
Shane Roller (160) Bixby 1995-1998
Jeff Henning (171) Tuttle 1995-1998
Michael Lightner (130) Marlow 1993-1996
Steve Elkins (142) Madill 1992-1995
Jerry Best (136) Chandler 1988-1991
T. J. Jaworsky (123) Edmond 1987-1990
Kyle Rosebure (136) McAlester 1984-1987
Todd Chesbro (157) Stillwater 1984-1987
Kenny Monday (141) Tulsa Washington 1977-1980
Cecil Beisel (HWT) Perry 1975-1978
Leonard Shelton (HWT) Ponca City 1937-1940


Oh yeah did I mention theres only been 1 4x champ in California.

Hmm I wonder were its harder to be a 4x champ?

000000grappler I kknow your gonna say Im missing the point, I think you missed my point I mean it was my Topic post, and Rogan wasnt referring to the tradition or intensity he was stating that its more prestigious and more difficult to be a 4x Oklahoma champ, being a 4x champ in Oklahoma is like being an 8x champ in California is exactly what he said. I dont think that he was referring to anything else other than its tougher to win state in Oklahoma. It doesnt matter if he pulled California out of his ass just to make a point. On this rare occasion Rogan didnt know what he was talking about. I agree with you that wrestling in the midwest and might carrie more tradition and might get in the paper and all that shit more than here in California, and thats cool and all but so what.



Were going to have to agree to disagree on this one... You saying that theres only been one 4 time state champ can be taken both ways. Either there is tougher competition in Ca, like you will say, or the top caliber wrestlers in states like Oklahoma, Iowa, Pennsylvania, are more dominant, thus leading to their multiple state titles, like I would say.

As far as your own wrestling accolades? I read them, and you have been some places, and I am legitimately impressed. I dont want to not acknowledge that.

All of this being said, collegiate style wrestling is a struggling sport, and Im glad to have a real advocate for the sport on the site. Im sure we will talk grappling again!



Yeah for sure, agree to disagree on this one. I prefer submission grappling/wrestling/ no gi whatever you want to call it over wrestling. Its kind of like Wrestling is checkers and submission grappling is chess. I love it. Thanks for debating with me, I just got on this mmaplayground like a week and a half ago and have noticed that I get a little excited and rush to write out a response and after re reading my post say like an hour later I see that some of my replies might come off disrespectful or arrogant. I apoligize 000grappler if any of my responses were taken offensively. Thios mmaplayground site is the shit, and Im glad to be on here debating with you guys over our thoughts.

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I do the same thing, its all good bro. Got any vids of you wrestling uploaded? (sorry, a lot of guys are uploading videos, thought Id try, wouldnt mind seeing you wrestle)

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@bt155lbs - it's all good. I was actually givin' ya a little more sh*t, since I did notice that you just joined recently. This is a great site for conversation and debate...there's a few people out there that take it too far, but that's the exception to the rule. Anyway, I always respect a fellow wrestler.

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