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CSAC Executive Director Andy Foster weighs in on controversy over 10-8 rounds in Patrick Cummins vs. Kyle Kingsbury fight

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The head of the CSAC, Andy Foster, spoke with MMAmania.com regarding the unusually high number of 10-8 rounds scored in the UFC on FOX 12 prelim fight between Cummins and Kingsbury.

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Post #1   7/30/14 8:30:18PM   

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What's crazy is that one judge who scored two 10-8 rounds and the rounds were the 1st and 3rd. Meanwhile, I think it's obvious to anyone who watched the fight that the second round was absolutely the most dominant round for Cummins. How you give the first round a 10-8 and not the second is beyond me.....if anything the 2 that should have been 10-8s were the 2nd and 3rd rounds, but I think 1 was more appropriate.

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I would have to go back and watch a little more closely, but I don't recall having a problem with 30-24. Kingsbury had absolutely zero to offer in that fight.

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Any round with heavy offense and zero retaliation from your opponent should be a 10-8. Kingsbury landed maybe eight standing strikes in that fight.

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I don't see this being that big of a controversy. Whenever one fighter has little offense and is completely dominated by his opponent, you can expect at least one 10-8 round. There are definitely some inconsistencies throughout the judges though.

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30-24 was a bit much given kingsbury wasn't rocked or knocked down by a strike

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I think that the people who think there is some controversy here, are focusing too much on the individual rounds score. I say, look at it as whole fight. If you were to do that, then seeing the fight scored as 30-24 wouldn't be so hard to fathom.


IMO i think the fight SHOULD be judged as a whole, as compared to rounds. I think the method the judges use now is too inconsistent and lets people "steal" rounds too often


just my .02 But hey, what do I know right?

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The only controversy should be the judge who didn't score a 10-8 round

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Cummings won every round and there is an argument for Kingsbury to have a 7, 8 or maybe 9 in all the rounds. It was a typical onside beat down of Kingsbury . Nothing here worth mentioning controversy for.

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Posted by george112

I think that the people who think there is some controversy here, are focusing too much on the individual rounds score. I say, look at it as whole fight. If you were to do that, then seeing the fight scored as 30-24 wouldn't be so hard to fathom.


IMO i think the fight SHOULD be judged as a whole, as compared to rounds. I think the method the judges use now is too inconsistent and lets people "steal" rounds too often


just my .02 But hey, what do I know right?



The reason fights are scored by round is to avoid crooked judges. You have to submit your score the second the round ends to a commissioner walking past you. That keeps people from just jotting down whatever at the end of the fight, or allowing someone to steal the fight itself at the end of the bout.

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Posted by george112

I think that the people who think there is some controversy here, are focusing too much on the individual rounds score. I say, look at it as whole fight. If you were to do that, then seeing the fight scored as 30-24 wouldn't be so hard to fathom.


IMO i think the fight SHOULD be judged as a whole, as compared to rounds. I think the method the judges use now is too inconsistent and lets people "steal" rounds too often


just my .02 But hey, what do I know right?



The reason fights are scored by round is to avoid crooked judges. You have to submit your score the second the round ends to a commissioner walking past you. That keeps people from just jotting down whatever at the end of the fight, or allowing someone to steal the fight itself at the end of the bout.



The very thing you said could happen (judges jotting down whatever at the end of the fights) could also very well be happening now just at the end of the round. Notice i said "could happen". That "could happen" goes both ways though, as it could easily happen in my scenario


BUT

Their have been too many fighters that are able to steal rounds with a takedown or with the last minute and a half being in top control. Judging the fight as a whole would eliminate that.

Also if the judges were going to be crooked then they are going to be crooked. The way you judge a fight has nothing to do with being crooked if the judge was already going to be crooked regardless. And to even further my point, it would be the same exact judges who are judging now that would be able to judge the fight as a whole. Are these judges crooked now? If you think so, then like I said it has nothing to do with the way you judge the fight as they are already being crooked judging the fight by rounds.


anyways I've gone on long enough on this post. Im just using logic

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Post #11   8/2/14 11:17:50AM