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Ultimate_fighter
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Which do u perfer?
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Post #1 6/22/07 4:24:15PM
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loller90278
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Career record: 164-119
Season: 34-19 (#2756)
Location: Redondo Beach
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i'd prefer submissions if they're well executed (like din thomas' arm bar and nick diaz's gogoplata) more than the average KO.
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Post #2 6/22/07 4:26:25PM
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pv3Hpv3p
Heavyweight Champ
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Season: 37-33 (#2654)
Location: East St. Paul, MN
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The way I see it...
The KO highlights the brutal, strength driven part of MMA
And the Sub highlights more of the art that's involved in the sport.
While a standing KO can really get your adrenaline pumping, there is something just so sweet about a great sub like Hughes's armbar on GSP or Aoki gogoing Hansen..
I guess to answer your question, I chose the KO, because it gets me fired up... But I wouldn't trade a Saku / Newton fight for all the KO's in the world.
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Post #3 6/22/07 4:34:21PM
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AmericanFighterAce
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Posted by pv3Hpv3p
The way I see it...
The KO highlights the brutal, strength driven part of MMA
And the Sub highlights more of the art that's involved in the sport.
While a standing KO can really get your adrenaline pumping, there is something just so sweet about a great sub like Hughes's armbar on GSP or Aoki gogoing Hansen..
I guess to answer your question, I chose the KO, because it gets me fired up... But I wouldn't trade a Saku / Newton fight for all the KO's in the world.
See Knock-Outs, can get stopped early enough that are not that exciting (see Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock) where in which someone can be defending themselves but not doing anything and the fight gets called a Knockout.
If it is a brutal GabeGo headkick to the grill of Mirko, I'll take it.
But Submissions are a lot harder to accomplish than Knockouts, it actually a lot of practice and skill to put in a very good submisson. You can get lucky with some punches with the fighters punch, but with a Submission it takes a little more skill than a Knockout.
My vote- Submission
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Post #4 6/22/07 4:48:19PM
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Location: Calgary
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I'm a judo player, and a life-time grappling fan... so you know I gotta go with the sub!
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Post #5 6/22/07 5:08:54PM
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spider1179
MMA Regular
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Season: 44-26 (#1511)
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I would have to agree that KO's can really get your blood pumping. However, good grappling followed by a great armbar, gogo, kneebar, ect. is the most beautiful part of MMA. There is just nothing better than the guy on bottom seeing an opening and quickly slapping his opponent in a triangle and good night.
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Post #6 6/22/07 5:18:25PM
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blkssncpt
MMA Regular
Career record: 168-116
Season: 36-34 (#3376)
Location: Compton, CA.
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Posted by pv3Hpv3p
The way I see it...
The KO highlights the brutal, strength driven part of MMA
And the Sub highlights more of the art that's involved in the sport.
While a standing KO can really get your adrenaline pumping, there is something just so sweet about a great sub like Hughes's armbar on GSP or Aoki gogoing Hansen..
I guess to answer your question, I chose the KO, because it gets me fired up... But I wouldn't trade a Saku / Newton fight for all the KO's in the world.
 your absolutely right the Art and the Brutal Drive.... 
But i'd have to give it to the knock out some get stopped prematurely (ortiz vs Shamrock) but for the casual fan that doesnt really know what to look for in a good ground and submission game it would have be the KO. personally i love both but id prefer the KO
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Post #7 6/22/07 5:23:50PM
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cincyassasin
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Career record: 166-109
Season: 42-25 (#2153)
Location: Cincinnati
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Subs all day......Anybody can throw a bomb but it takes some skill to pull off a submission.
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Post #8 6/22/07 5:35:13PM
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Mastodon2
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Season: 32-23 (#4471)
Location: Newcastle England
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Posted by cincyassasin
Subs all day......Anybody can throw a bomb but it takes some skill to pull off a submission.
You cannot totally undersell KOs like that, though I will admit there is a difference between just smashing your fists into someones head and actually KOing them with skill.
Look at Houston Alexander, when he KO'd Jardine it was just an ugly mess of raging, wild punches trying to bomb Jardine out. Compare that with say, Cro Cop's KO of Mark Coleman, where he didnt waste a punch, sniping targets alloever Coleman's body to open up his chin, then one perfectly timed punch square on the chin to put Mark away. There is a difference between the two styles, the first anyone with heavy hands can do, the second takes real skill and years of practice.
For me, I like the KO, I like that immense rush that makes me fly out of my seat and scream at my TV, like when Rampage KO'd Chuck in a beautiful fashion.
However, when a PPV is all KOs and TKOs I feel cheated - I like Submissions too. Having trained in Judo when I was younger, I have a great appreciation for the finesse of submissions, and at the same time a little bit of contempt for those armchair warriors that scoff "I cant believe he didnt see THAT triangle coming!" etc, because unless you've trained in it and had fights involving it, the submission game is more complex than you'd imagine.
When it comes down to it, when Im watching a PPV, I like to see a few good subs and a few good KOs. A sloppy sub that gets a win is just as unfullfilling as seeing a crude KO.
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Post #9 6/22/07 6:41:11PM
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GnP warrior
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I prefer subs because with alot of submissions you need strength to overpower your opponent to get it locked in and theres more skill in subs not that there isn't in a KO but being able to transfer from one submission to another just seems more skillful
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Post #10 6/22/07 6:48:02PM
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DJDark41
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Season: 43-27 (#1925)
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I prefer to watch knockouts, but if I was gonna stop a guy I'd choose submission. Just the thought that I put my opponent in so much pain, they literally had to beg the ref to stop the fight...Well it helps me sleep at night.
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Post #11 6/22/07 9:06:58PM
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Ultimate_fighter
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I say submission, so sweet how they get in and out of them, knockouts aren't that great for me...
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Post #12 6/23/07 11:34:30AM
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Chec22
MMA Regular
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Season: 30-40 (#4027)
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I went with submission. KO's are fun but what really makes MMA is softening the opponent up with some striking, then the takedown and some ground and pound. Then good night tough guy. 
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Post #13 6/23/07 4:13:48PM
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Goldenrod Off-topic mod
Career record: 199-135
Season: 39-30 (#2354)
Location: NL, Canada
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I cannot vote. I simply like the finish. No matter what it is. IF a fighter KO's or subs another i have no preference.
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Post #14 6/23/07 10:24:53PM
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crimethinc
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Submissions or KO's are most exciting when they come out of nowhere. Ko's like Sell Vs. Smith really get my blood pumping. But Subs like a Chonan Vs. Silva flying scissor heel hook have the same effect. If I had to choose, it would be KO's as a personal preference. Mainly because I'm a mediocre ground guy at best myself.
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Post #15 6/24/07 1:10:10PM
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