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hamm
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I am considering dumping my money on Wang this saturday. He is a BJJ blackbelt, but showed no groundgame in his first fight on TUF. Cole Miller is also a wrestling sub guy and might not have much standing.
What do you guys think, does Wang have a chance to pull off the upset?
Last edited 6/19/07 3:44PM by hamm
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Post #1 6/19/07 3:41:52PM
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szucconi
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I think he has a chance, but not much of one. He is going to panic. Hes going to get hit or taken down and will get to flustered to pull out a win. Wrestlers are must more composed. I like Brian Geraghty as the sleeper. I think Wiman is soft.
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Post #2 6/19/07 3:54:13PM
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ProfessorChaos
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Apparently other are thinking just like you has he started as a 6:! and now he's at 4.4:1
Hopefully his BJJ blackbelt is well earned cause it's going to the ground.
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Post #3 6/19/07 4:58:28PM
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BerndRealBad
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I like Brian Geraghty as the sleeper. I think Wiman is soft.
While I wouldn't be shocked if Geraghty won, what would ever give you the indication that Wiman was soft? Maybe I missed something.
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Post #4 6/19/07 8:07:57PM
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szucconi
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Posted by BerndRealBad
I like Brian Geraghty as the sleeper. I think Wiman is soft.
While I wouldn't be shocked if Geraghty won, what would ever give you the indication that Wiman was soft? Maybe I missed something.
Wiman has 6 MMA wins, but he is 0-3 verus fighter with at least ONE pro fight. Geraghty has meny more fights and some quality wins. Throw out what you saw on the show because I don't think they showed the whole story.
Plus on the UFC web site his strength is Charm and I think that is funny.
His training is listed and it is also funny.
"TRAINING: wake up 6:30 am train boxing and do conditioning. Take a long break and cat nap. Come back at 6:00 pm train grappling and MMA for 2 hours. Last, I hit the weight room for weight training. Meditate for 5 to 6 seconds. Eat two boxes of Snickers ice cream bars. Then have a poop and a nap."
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Post #5 6/19/07 10:38:04PM
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NME
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Posted by szucconi
His training is listed and it is also funny.
"TRAINING: wake up 6:30 am train boxing and do conditioning. Take a long break and cat nap. Come back at 6:00 pm train grappling and MMA for 2 hours. Last, I hit the weight room for weight training. Meditate for 5 to 6 seconds. Eat two boxes of Snickers ice cream bars. Then have a poop and a nap."
I love this man.
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Post #6 6/19/07 11:13:58PM
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BerndRealBad
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This might be true, the 0-3 mark against fighters with more than one pro fight, but look who those fighters are. He lost a decision to Huerta, was hanging with Fisher into that knee. Also if you count his fight with Manny, it was even until Manny just kept him down but still couldn't put him away. Must be the extra snickers bars. 
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Post #7 6/19/07 11:15:08PM
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szucconi
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Posted by BerndRealBad
This might be true, the 0-3 mark against fighters with more than one pro fight, but look who those fighters are. He lost a decision to Huerta, was hanging with Fisher into that knee. Also if you count his fight with Manny, it was even until Manny just kept him down but still couldn't put him away. Must be the extra snickers bars.
Geraghty is the one with the snickers bars. Wiman has lost to some quality guys, but Geraghty has some win aginst some guys with wins. Not to mention his decision loss to undefeted Thiago Tavares. Geraghty beat a guy that fought at WEC 26, IMO that is better then losing to to Spencer Fisher.
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Post #8 6/19/07 11:46:23PM
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NME
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Posted by szucconi
Geraghty beat a guy that fought at WEC 26, IMO that is better then losing to to Spencer Fisher.
Yeah, but Tommy Lee is a featherweight. It's tough to give a guy credit for beating someone a weight class below himself.
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Post #9 6/20/07 8:37:36AM
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szucconi
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Posted by NME
Posted by szucconi
Geraghty beat a guy that fought at WEC 26, IMO that is better then losing to to Spencer Fisher.
Yeah, but Tommy Lee is a featherweight. It's tough to give a guy credit for beating someone a weight class below himself.
But it was a win. Geraghty has wins against people with winning records. Wiman doesn't have a single win against anyone with any record. David Franks is the only win under Wimans belt that went on to have any more fights.
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Post #10 6/20/07 11:43:59AM
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awesome
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from joe l.'s blog he said that cole millers biggest strength is his stand up.. and that he has good bjj in case he is taken down.. yet he prefers the stand up.. which you can see is true in both of his tuf fights where he stood till the other guy took him down.
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Post #11 6/20/07 12:04:44PM
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NME
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Posted by szucconi
But it was a win. Geraghty has wins against people with winning records. Wiman doesn't have a single win against anyone with any record. David Franks is the only win under Wimans belt that went on to have any more fights.
Let me tell you a story regarding this sort of logic.
Back at UFC 70, I was given the lock of the century by someone whose opinion on fighting I respect. This person pointed out that Alessio Sakara had never beaten anyone with a winning record, thus Victor Valimaki was a sure thing.
Sakara defeated Valimaki, who has a winning record, via TKO in the first round.
Which isn't to say that Wiman will win, but I would advise against betting the house on Geraghty.
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Post #12 6/20/07 12:35:13PM
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Violentcuv
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I dont see Wang pulling off an upset.
I am going with Cole on that one.
But I dont think Wiman is what he is cracked up to be either..
Picking Geraghty in that fight..
Last edited 6/20/07 1:57PM by Violentcuv
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Post #13 6/20/07 1:01:15PM
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szucconi
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Posted by NME
Posted by szucconi
But it was a win. Geraghty has wins against people with winning records. Wiman doesn't have a single win against anyone with any record. David Franks is the only win under Wimans belt that went on to have any more fights.
Let me tell you a story regarding this sort of logic.
Back at UFC 70, I was given the lock of the century by someone whose opinion on fighting I respect. This person pointed out that Alessio Sakara had never beaten anyone with a winning record, thus Victor Valimaki was a sure thing.
Sakara defeated Valimaki, who has a winning record, via TKO in the first round.
Which isn't to say that Wiman will win, but I would advise against betting the house on Geraghty.
Here’s my argument for Wiman. 55% of the people he has beaten have quite the sport. He has retired five guys. He’s a beast. He had eight matches before his first UFC match so he is a rising star. He went the distance with Huerta and has examined Spencer Fishers knee very closely.
I think the Wiman auditions for TUF went something like this. They saw his nickname, "Handsome", then made sure it wasn't ironic and signed him up. I think he’s got a chance to win, but Geraghty is my sleeper. Wiman seems like he will play defense until he smells blood and I don't think Geraghty will ever be in any trouble. My prediction is the match will go something like this:
They will both come out tentative, but Wiman will be more confident. Wiman might strike first and Geraghty might dodge or weather some big right hands. Geraghty will hang around and frustrate Wiman. Wiman will start to panic and one of them will go for a shot. If Geraghty ends up on top then he can ride and pound his was to an easy win. If Geraghty is on bottom then I see it ending early via triangle.
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Post #14 6/20/07 1:53:12PM
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Wins Fairly Squarely
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But hey what about Wang - will he hear "beautiful wang" again? Will he listen to his corner and take Cole down? I think he will of learnt his lesson and realise he looked like an idiot, he wont wanna cry really weirdly in front of a massive crowd this time so i see him fighting a much better fight, may still pick Miller but think Wang is worth a small wager TBH
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