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How do you plan to see the Bellator PPV?
I plan to buy it 4 9%
I'll go watch it at a bar, restaurant, etc 2 5%
I'll, umm... use the internet, wink wink 31 70%
Not gonna watch it 7 16%
This poll is dumb 0 0%
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Posted by hammerhead1

Would rather watch two 7 year old kids fight



I assume you're talking about Chael and Vitor.....

Post #16   8/9/13 12:32:15AM   

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I definitely won't be spending any money on this, but I'll check it out online the day after

Post #17   8/9/13 3:57:37AM   

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nah, don't do ppv.

Post #18   8/11/13 3:40:00PM   

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35 or less I may
Depends on rest of the card

Post #19   8/11/13 9:15:45PM   

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I like Bellator but this fight should of happened 5 years or even longer ago for it to be relevant.Then it would of been worth buying, but nowadays ? its not. I just cant see where Rampage wins it or where they are both gonna excite in this fight

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Posted by tattflash

I like Bellator but this fight should of happened 5 years or even longer ago for it to be relevant.Then it would of been worth buying, but nowadays ? its not. I just cant see where Rampage wins it or where they are both gonna excite in this fight



I actually think Rampage wins it the same way he beat Matt Hamill - successfully defending off 16 takedown attempts in 15 minutes.

Tito last looked good in 2007 against Rashad Evans. He looked average against Rashad in 2011 (got a TD) and Forrest in 2009 and 2012. He hasn't looked great since 2006.

Rampage last looked great in 2008. He looked okay in late 2010/early 2011 against Machida/Hamill. He looked average in 2012 against Bader/Glover.

In my head Rampage has looked a far better fighter recently than Tito.

Both men are gonna gas after 1 round. Tito can normally do a good job in that round securing at takedown or something (Rashad 2011 TD, Looking like he might out strike Hamill) but after that its like he becomes a training dummy and offers nothing. Rampage is tired when he walks down to the cage, it's like he's fighting a 20 round fight and he's halfway through. That said he paces himself, he's not slow in the later minutes because he's slow from the start.

I don't see either fighter getting a finish. Rampage is tough as nails and Rampage hasn't gotten a finish in 5 years.

Tito might be a wrestler by trade but his wrestling hasn't helped him in recent fights. He couldn't take down Lil Nog, couldn't stay on Forrest.

In my head I see Rampage losing round 1. Tito will either out strike him or score a takedown, then Rampage will be able to defend the takedowns or start winning the striking in the next 2 rounds as Tito just fades out.

I think no matter when this fight would have played out Rampage would have won it.
Before 2010 I think Rampage would have knocked him out, but now I think it's just be a close boring decision.

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Now that they've added the Chandler/Alvarez rematch, has anyone changed their mind about buying this event?

I'm sticking with the internet personally, but there's no doubt it's a PPV caliber fight.

Post #22   8/13/13 9:23:04PM   

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Tough to say, this card deserve a ppv buy more than a handful of UFC cards, but starting to dish out ppv money to an additional organization is what bothers me. I can justify buying it by assuming they won't put on more than 1-2 of these per year, considering they exhausted all of their star power in one card. Still not sure though

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123 Jackson/Machida 500,000 (Hughes/Penn)
130 Jackson/Hamill 325,000 (Mir/Nelson)
135 Jackson/Jones 520,000 (Hughes/Koscheck)
144 Henderson/Edgar 325,000 (Jackson/Bader)

121 Velasquez/Lesnar 900,000 (Ortiz/Hamill)
132 Cruz/Faber 320,000 (Ortiz/Bader)
133 Ortiz/Evans 310,000 (Belfort/Akiyama)
140 Jones/Machida 480,000 (Ortiz/Lil Nog)
148 Silva/Sonnen II 925,000 (Ortiz/Griffin III)

The lowest PPV buys recently have been Wandy/Franklin II (145,000) and Henderson/Evans (150,000). Henderson/Edgar II wasn't that successful either (190,000)

That suggests that there are 140,000 hardcore fans who would pay for a PPV whoever was fighting.

The fact UFC 123 was successful is baffling but it was the only PPV in the month with 1 month between PPV's either side. People might have been desperate for some fights or Penn/Hughes still have large fanbases.

I think Rampage/Tito do have large fanbases and Bellator need to market this to the MMA Community as much as they possibly can as although the fight might be boring, the fight is stylistically still pretty interesting.
The card underneath is shaping up which will interest the hardcore fans (300,000 buyers)
If you add all that together with decent marketing, large fanbases, a solid undercard. I'd estimate it at about 350,000

However that is under the assumption the UFC does not try to compete with it...
Currently the UFC has a PPV on the 19th of October and the 16th of November.
The UFC has free events on the 26th of October and the 6th of November.
I doubt the UFC tries to compete with it however it is possible they might.

If not then then I stick to my original estimation of 350,000.
UFC Events which have sold that amount:
Velasquez vs Bigfoot II 380,000
Aldo vs Edgar 330,000
Edgar vs. Henderson 325,000
Silva vs. Okami 335,000


EDIT:
Came back and did more research. Being partnered with TNA is a fucking joke. they get about 11,000 PPV buys.
I mighta overestimated that partnership. I now expect them to get about 250-300,000 buys.....

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Post #24   8/14/13 8:59:38AM   

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Posted by jjeans

123 Jackson/....






Good post, but you are more optimistic than I. I would be planning on something approaching Affliction numbers. Over 100k would be a great success, less then 50k would not meet expectations. Just my gut feeling anyways on buys right now.

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