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will the ufc resign big country ??

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Don't know what to think
Not being signed to a extension before his last fight is rare in the Ufc. Not a good sign. Neither was losing a crucial fight before contract negotiations.

Will the Ufc have nelson walk away.

Dana does not like him his work ethic
They let kongo walk away

Heavyweight division aside from female and fly is very thin Nelson I think should be resigned. He does have a fan base , he still can be a contender.

Don't know what the Ufc will do. If he becomes a free agent which may happen. I see bellator grabbing him easily.

Next few months will be interesting.

Post #1   6/28/13 1:37:10PM   

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Posted by prozacnation1978

Don't know what to think
Not being signed to a extension before his last fight is rare in the Ufc. Not a good sign. Neither was losing a crucial fight before contract negotiations.

Will the Ufc have nelson walk away.

Dana does not like him his work ethic
They let kongo walk away

Heavyweight division aside from female and fly is very thin Nelson I think should be resigned. He does have a fan base , he still can be a contender.

Don't know what the Ufc will do. If he becomes a free agent which may happen. I see bellator grabbing him easily.

Next few months will be interesting.


WSOF could scoop him up as well if he leaves.

Post #2   6/28/13 1:51:03PM   

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They'd be stupid not to resign him. He's a draw, he knocks mofos out, and he wrestles no one...on paper that's Dana's golden boy

Post #3   6/28/13 2:21:23PM   

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Posted by airkerma

They'd be stupid not to resign him. He's a draw, he knocks mofos out, and he wrestles no one...on paper that's Dana's golden boy



Agreed. I know lots of people who watch ufc occasionally & although they dont know many fighters, they all know "Big Country"

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Post #4   6/28/13 2:38:53PM   

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Posted by airkerma

They'd be stupid not to resign him. He's a draw, he knocks mofos out, and he wrestles no one...on paper that's Dana's golden boy



I completely agree.

The HW division is far too thin to let a big draw like Nelson go. He doesn't have boring fights and he's stand toe to toe with anyone. He's never going to get a title shot despite his recent hype but he's the perfect guy to determine where you're at in the division.

Post #5   6/28/13 4:44:42PM   

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Big Country is a Draw, the fans go wild when his music hits, let's not forget he's one punch away from victory....His KO of Ed Herman is still one of my favorites today.

Post #6   6/28/13 5:37:43PM   

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You mean dave Herman

Well he is a free agent.
If the Ufc really wanted him they would have signed him to
A contract extension.

Post #7   6/28/13 5:52:02PM   

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Posted by prozacnation1978

You mean dave Herman

Well he is a free agent.
If the Ufc really wanted him they would have signed him to
A contract extension.



IM not sure you understand how contracts work. Here let me help you.

an offer is made by an org like the UFC.
lets say for example.
UFC offers Big Country 200k sign 100k show 100k win.

that would be a contract of course they are a little more to it like PPV bonus and all kinds of other things but point is UFC offers a contract.

THen the fighter, his group of manager(s) etc look over the contract and decide
yay or nay. If nay they may renegotiate or not depending on the situation.

So in other words it takes at least two parties to agree upon a contract, having a fighter in this case not under contract doesnt mean the UFC doesnt want him, the UFC offered Nelson a contract he declined the contract because of $ and other reasons. The UFC has been clear they want Nelson because he indeed is a draw.

SOOO just because the UFC didnt sign him to a contract extension as you put it doesnt mean they dont want him or didnt try, this isnt slavery fighters get to decide if they want to fight for people, if they like contracts etc, Nelson decided he didnt like the contract and wanted more $$....

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I know that contracts are two way streets, and UFC is "trimming the fat"...if they don't sign him, then it would be a shame but I would understand.

Post #9   6/28/13 10:49:12PM   

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They tried to re-sign him for more money & he declined though more doesn't say much as his TUF contract started out at 15k & most recently moved up to 24k to show, double if he wins. Cheick Kongo on the other hand was making nearly triple at 70k to show, so there was no way they were going to re-sign him at 38 years old losing 2 of his last 3; both losses by 1st round knockout. The good thing for Nelson was that even in losing his last fight & his other losses in the UFC, he was never finished, so I believe there is still a lot of value for Big Country.

It's a 50-50 call at this point if he is going to sign back with the UFC or go to Bellator. UFC is where the most people will see him & if they offer a good contract, minimum 60k to show 60k to win, then I believe he may stay. Bellator though with Viacom could offer a deal for him to do TNA Wrestling like King Mo or a reality show as they are for Rampage as well as a good fight contract with a clear easy path to being their HW Champion. It's really a tough call, but if I had to guess I think he's going to sign with Bellator knowing he has the same manager (Mike Kogan) as Rampage Jackson & his good friend King Mo, who both struck lucrative deals with Viacom & Nelson may have been planning on jumping ship regardless.

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The real question is:

Will Big Country resign for the amount the UFC offers him?

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He's going to Bellator. His manager Mike Kogan may as well work in the front office of Bellator

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Say your the Ufc
How much would you be willing to pay for nelson ??

I don't think nelson may be worth 100/100
60/60 or 75/75 sounds good

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I say give Big Country whatever he wants. He smashes dudes & hes a great test for future contenders. I hope the Bellator rumours aren't true BUT if he does make the move then its all gooood because he'd probably be the champ.

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It's a total tossup to me as to UFC or Bellator, but here are a few more points to consider. A few days ago in an interview Bjorn Rebney had only good things to say about Roy Nelson, but that it is his understanding that Nelson is in an exclusive negotiating period with the UFC stipulated by his expired contract. If you watched the last Bellator event though you saw Nelson several times in the locker room at the event & cornering King Mo. Also, recently Rampage Jackson is quoted as saying "I would love to fight Roy Nelson & F*** him up," and that Jackson is likely to fight in the Heavyweight division of Bellator. This could lead to them coaching opposite on the next Fight Master or some other reality show to hype it up.

Nelson just turned 37 years old & this would be his final run to make on the big stage in the UFC. He does have some unfinished business with the accusations of Daniel Cormier ducking him, which resulted in a heated exchange, that would likely be the first fight to make if he re-signs. Also, a good thing going for him is that he has never fought the current champ Cain Velasquez, who if he beats JDS won't have many challengers left.

I believe it will all come down to the money or the added incentives such as PPV cuts by the UFC or TV/TNA deals with Bellator/Viacom. Below is what some current top Heavyweights are making in the UFC (highest to lowest by what they're guaranteed), which as the champ headlining they usually make 400k to show no win bonus, but below is what they make outside of being in a PPV Main Event.

Alistair Overeem - 285,000 to show, 100,000 to win
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - 250,000 to show, 150,000 to win
Frank Mir - 200,000 (no win bonus); formerly 120k to show, 120k to win
Mark Hunt - 160,000 (no win bonus)
Junior Dos Santos - 120,000 to show, 120,000 to win
Cain Velasquez - 100,000 to show, 100,000 to win
Fabricio Werdum - 100,000 (no win bonus)
Antonio Silva - 75,000 (no win bonus)
Daniel Cormier - 63,000 to show, 63,000 to win

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