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Funny Dana can say,cuss and bash anything or anyone he wants with no punishment.

Just a PC move by the UFC....To me the word fag doesn't really associate with homosexuals, I call my friends fags all the time knowing they're aren't gay, Fag IMO is just like a douche ...Plus we all know Caraway dates Tate so he isn't a fag in a Homosexual sense.Ever since Dana had the run-ins with Forrest,Torres,Mitrione for their views on different things, I think he feels obligated to punish anyone for borderline dumb shit they say.



Rousey and Rashad Evans got passes though. Rousey referred to gender reassignment surgery as "having your pecker cut off", which would be more offensive to a transsexual than a half-hearted "fag" ever would. Evans made a joke about child molesters and got a pass.





Well technically having your pecker cut-off is gender reassignment, And child molestation is bit different than being gay. With all the gay stuff " and i mean that in a literal sense" with athletes from other sports coming out and possible gay UFC fighters, i just think their trying to be more PC about gay slurs in general. I don't view the pecker cut off as gay slur...but that's just me and i agree with your points no argument, just looking at it through a different pair of glasses.

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Posted by Svartorm

If you're seriously offended by someone saying "fag", then you're a fag.



I'd say that your statement, while probably a misguided attempt at being humorous, is 100% spot on. It's reasonable that 90% of the individuals offended by the slur are indeed those individuals whom the slur refers to. It's offensive to people, regardless of your silly self-proclaimed interpretation.

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Well technically having your pecker cut-off is gender reassignment, And child molestation is bit different than being gay. With all the gay stuff " and i mean that in a literal sense" with athletes from other sports coming out and possible gay UFC fighters, i just think their trying to be more PC about gay slurs in general. I don't view the pecker cut off as gay slur...but that's just me and i agree with your points no argument, just looking at it through a different pair of glasses.

but then again, Rousey and Rashad $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$



It's not a gay slur, but it's more insensitive to transsexuals than "fag" would ever be to a homosexual.

Gender reassignment is THE life-changing event of a transsexual's life, and her words trivialized it to the point of being ridiculous. That would be like if someone's child died of leukemia and you said "they got sick and kicked the bucket." Its offensive in that you blew it off almost entirely.

Granted, I don't think any of them should be punished, but I'd be more offended by RR if I was a transsexual than I would be at Diaz if I were homosexual, I'd imagine.

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If you're seriously offended by someone saying "fag", then you're a fag.



I'd say that your statement, while probably a misguided attempt at being humorous, is 100% spot on. It's reasonable that 90% of the individuals offended by the slur are indeed those individuals whom the slur refers to. It's offensive to people, regardless of your silly self-proclaimed interpretation.



In my experience, and I have a gay brother-in-law and several gay friends and acquaintances, very few are offended by that usage of "fag". Some of these guys actually use it in that exact same context. The guys that would be offended are generally those who are offended by absolutely anything and would also freak out if you said someone was "black" rather than "African-American." There's no pleasing people like that unless you walk on eggshells for the rest of your life.

For something to be offensive/racist/discriminatory, there needs to be context. There was none in that statement and I can't see a reasonable person being offended by it.

Also, my self-interpretation is no more "silly" than your own, being as we're discussing this from the same perspective.

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Posted by Svartorm


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Well technically having your pecker cut-off is gender reassignment, And child molestation is bit different than being gay. With all the gay stuff " and i mean that in a literal sense" with athletes from other sports coming out and possible gay UFC fighters, i just think their trying to be more PC about gay slurs in general. I don't view the pecker cut off as gay slur...but that's just me and i agree with your points no argument, just looking at it through a different pair of glasses.

but then again, Rousey and Rashad $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$



It's not a gay slur, but it's more insensitive to transsexuals than "fag" would ever be to a homosexual.

Gender reassignment is THE life-changing event of a transsexual's life, and her words trivialized it to the point of being ridiculous. That would be like if someone's child died of leukemia and you said "they got sick and kicked the bucket." Its offensive in that you blew it off almost entirely.

Granted, I don't think any of them should be punished, but I'd be more offended by RR if I was a transsexual than I would be at Diaz if I were homosexual, I'd imagine.



Calling a gay person fag is on par with the N word for black people IMO, Telling a transsexual hey you got your balls chopped is a fact...I don't think comparing it cancer is fair.... death isn't an option you don't choose it unless you commit asuicide.... it just happens, getting your gentials rearranged is a choice and if you're going to do things like that you're going to be ridiculed by the majority who "don't get it" or "don't agree" with it. You don;t choose to get cancer and die you chose to get your balls cut off.

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Whether it's a choice or not is irrelevant to the point made.

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UFC should be more even-handed with their punishments (looking at you Rousey and Evans) and be more careful that they are not punishing the same kinds of behavior that their brass and spokespersons engage in (looking at you Dana and Joe).


That said, the UFC is smart to start addressing the problem head on. Things are going well, but the UFC needs to do all it can to expand beyond its image of a sport for affliction t-shirt wearing bros. Being seen as a homophobic sport in 2013 will do nothing but hurt it in the eyes of FOX, Budweiser, and the democratic legislators whose ear they need to be able to get MMA in NY and steer clear of future antitrust investigations.

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Posted by Svartorm

Whether it's a choice or not is irrelevant to the point made.



Why not ?

If you chose to do questionable things, You're putting yourself out there to be mocked or ridiculed. Society will always judge for the actions of one.

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Whether it's a choice or not is irrelevant to the point made.



Why not ?

If you chose to do questionable things, You're putting yourself out there to be mocked or ridiculed. Society will always judge for the actions of one.



You're getting way off course dude, and when you're discussing conduct on a professional level, there shouldn't be any of these caveats like "choice".

Either Dana White, Nate Diaz, Matt Mitrione and Ronda Rousey can all call someone a fag outside of a derogatory context, or they all can't. That's the point.

As it stands, two people on that list say whatever comes into their heads and the other two are fined and suspended.

Fallon Fox choosing to have surgery doesn't then make it ok to be crass about it, just as Liz Carmouche choosing to be an out lesbian in the fight world doesn't make it ok to insult her.

A Code of Conduct has to be applied evenly or not at all. No wiggle room and no exceptions.

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Posted by iwannabesedated

You don;t choose to get cancer and die you chose to get your balls cut off.



Wait, are we being asked? I'll take the cancer and die option please.

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Question to those who don't think Nate should be penalized for his verbiage. If he had thrown out the n word, would you have the same reaction? That he shouldn;t be held to the same standards as the rest of the general public? Fag is just as hateful as the n word, but it's far more acceptable to use in our society.



Fag is, 99% of the time, not used in the hate speech context so that doesn't work the same way.

An athlete could say something so repulsive that he would be fined, but it would have to be something you'd go out of your way to talk about to make it on that list.



Tell that to a gay person who has to hear it everyday. You are in a very safe, naive place if you believe that fag is used in an appropriate context 99% of the time.

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Posted by iwannabesedated

Funny Dana can say,cuss and bash anything or anyone he wants with no punishment.

Just a PC move by the UFC....To me the word fag doesn't really associate with homosexuals, I call my friends fags all the time knowing they're aren't gay, Fag IMO is just like a douche ...Plus we all know Caraway dates Tate so he isn't a fag in a Homosexual sense.Ever since Dana had the run-ins with Forrest,Torres,Mitrione for their views on different things, I think he feels obligated to punish anyone for borderline dumb shit they say.



If you aren't gay, than it's not your place to determine what the context is. Just like the use of the n word is not justifiable by any white person, ever, because we will never understand the severity of the word.

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