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Posted by kopower
Johny was on his way to losing, if the fight went another 2.
I don't know, another 8 TDs were in order
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Post #16 3/19/13 11:38:37AM
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MuayThaiGeek13
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Every fighter knows how the fight will be scored, regardless if they agree with the system. Condit and Hendricks both knew TDs are like bonus points. We all saw who worked for the bonus points.
Just because you think a field goal should be worth more than 3 points doesn't give you an excuse to why you lost the game. Both teams agree to the rules before the coin toss.
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Post #17 3/19/13 11:56:01AM
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jae_1833
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TD's get points because of the judging criteria in regards to Octagon Control.
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Post #18 3/19/13 11:58:00AM
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SURPRISE VAN CANDY!
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Unfortunately going 0 for 13 on takedowns like Nurmagomedov against Tibau, the judges still view failed attempts as Octagon Control also (Diego Sanchez is another who gets undue scoring credit often for this), when it is the person with the Takedown Defense who is controlling where the fight is.
Just looking at round 1 of that fight shows how bad judging is (Khabib won 30-27x3 and went 0-13 on TD's, landed less strikes, attempted less strikes, and landed at a lower percentage when he did find the mark).
Nurmagomedov: 8 of 28 striking and 0 for 8 on takedowns.
Tibau: 15 of 32 striking and 0 for 1 on takedowns.
All 3 judges see that 10-9 for Nurmagomedov even though he was outstruck 2 to 1 and failed on ever takedown attempt because they think Octagon Control was his persistent attempts against the fence most of the round while it was obviously Tibau controlling the fight to stay standing. This is the issue with how judges view Octagon Control, and it's flawed after TD's too when the person gets outstruck from the bottom, has to fend off submission attempts to finish, and they can never pass out of full guard. Unfortunately that is a win to judges (I'm not referencing the Hendricks/Condit fight in this post, just "Octagon Control" and it's improper usage by judges).
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Post #19 3/19/13 1:09:35PM
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andre_pt
Learning to Sprawl
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Very funny. Here we discuss mma.
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Post #20 3/19/13 2:41:50PM
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prozacnation1978
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Johnny made those takedowns look like child's play
I probably could have taken his ass down myself too
If I knew johnny was gonna wrestlefuck him I would have picked him to win
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Post #21 3/19/13 2:44:48PM
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infestructure
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Posted by Kpro
Unfortunately going 0 for 13 on takedowns like Nurmagomedov against Tibau, the judges still view failed attempts as Octagon Control also (Diego Sanchez is another who gets undue scoring credit often for this), when it is the person with the Takedown Defense who is controlling where the fight is.
Just looking at round 1 of that fight shows how bad judging is (Khabib won 30-27x3 and went 0-13 on TD's, landed less strikes, attempted less strikes, and landed at a lower percentage when he did find the mark).
Nurmagomedov: 8 of 28 striking and 0 for 8 on takedowns.
Tibau: 15 of 32 striking and 0 for 1 on takedowns.
All 3 judges see that 10-9 for Nurmagomedov even though he was outstruck 2 to 1 and failed on ever takedown attempt because they think Octagon Control was his persistent attempts against the fence most of the round while it was obviously Tibau controlling the fight to stay standing. This is the issue with how judges view Octagon Control, and it's flawed after TD's too when the person gets outstruck from the bottom, has to fend off submission attempts to finish, and they can never pass out of full guard. Unfortunately that is a win to judges (I'm not referencing the Hendricks/Condit fight in this post, just "Octagon Control" and it's improper usage by judges).
I picked Khabib for that fight, and fully agree with you. I was shocked when they called his name
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Post #22 3/19/13 4:43:22PM
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pmoney
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Posted by infestructure
Posted by Kpro
Unfortunately going 0 for 13 on takedowns like Nurmagomedov against Tibau, the judges still view failed attempts as Octagon Control also (Diego Sanchez is another who gets undue scoring credit often for this), when it is the person with the Takedown Defense who is controlling where the fight is.
Just looking at round 1 of that fight shows how bad judging is (Khabib won 30-27x3 and went 0-13 on TD's, landed less strikes, attempted less strikes, and landed at a lower percentage when he did find the mark).
Nurmagomedov: 8 of 28 striking and 0 for 8 on takedowns.
Tibau: 15 of 32 striking and 0 for 1 on takedowns.
All 3 judges see that 10-9 for Nurmagomedov even though he was outstruck 2 to 1 and failed on ever takedown attempt because they think Octagon Control was his persistent attempts against the fence most of the round while it was obviously Tibau controlling the fight to stay standing. This is the issue with how judges view Octagon Control, and it's flawed after TD's too when the person gets outstruck from the bottom, has to fend off submission attempts to finish, and they can never pass out of full guard. Unfortunately that is a win to judges (I'm not referencing the Hendricks/Condit fight in this post, just "Octagon Control" and it's improper usage by judges).
I picked Khabib for that fight, and fully agree with you. I was shocked when they called his name
I picked Tibau in that fight because I knew he would win. And he did. Too bad the judges were too stupid to realize it.
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Post #23 3/19/13 8:09:48PM
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sbulldavid
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I knew the outcome but I knew it was bullshit. There is zero emphasis on striking in MMA, it's sad that the rules are geared towards a wrestler swing for the fences kind of fighter. This is the reason why striking will never reach the highest skill level in MMA.
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Post #24 3/19/13 9:06:39PM
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aussiemma
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Posted by Kpro
Unfortunately going 0 for 13 on takedowns like Nurmagomedov against Tibau, the judges still view failed attempts as Octagon Control also (Diego Sanchez is another who gets undue scoring credit often for this), when it is the person with the Takedown Defense who is controlling where the fight is.
Just looking at round 1 of that fight shows how bad judging is (Khabib won 30-27x3 and went 0-13 on TD's, landed less strikes, attempted less strikes, and landed at a lower percentage when he did find the mark).
Nurmagomedov: 8 of 28 striking and 0 for 8 on takedowns.
Tibau: 15 of 32 striking and 0 for 1 on takedowns.
All 3 judges see that 10-9 for Nurmagomedov even though he was outstruck 2 to 1 and failed on ever takedown attempt because they think Octagon Control was his persistent attempts against the fence most of the round while it was obviously Tibau controlling the fight to stay standing. This is the issue with how judges view Octagon Control, and it's flawed after TD's too when the person gets outstruck from the bottom, has to fend off submission attempts to finish, and they can never pass out of full guard. Unfortunately that is a win to judges (I'm not referencing the Hendricks/Condit fight in this post, just "Octagon Control" and it's improper usage by judges).
you make everything so clear and logical. Its good to have you back !! totally agree by the way.
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Post #25 3/20/13 5:58:42AM
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andre_pt
Learning to Sprawl
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I agree .
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Post #26 3/21/13 6:45:42PM
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