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Michael Bisping was in a position to challenge Anderson Silva for the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) middleweight title on three different occasions.

His first chance came against Dan Henderson at UFC 100, but he was rendered unconscious by an incoming "H-Bomb" and sent to the back of the line. He was able to re-climb the 185-pound ladder and once again needed one big win to earn his crack at the crown.

Then Chael Sonnen defeated him at UFC on FOX 2.

Last but certainly not least, "The Count" went for his third attempt at UFC on FX 7 last month in Sao Paulo, Brazil, and was put on his ass by a Vitor Belfort head kick (watch it here), removing him from the middleweight title picture for the foreseeable future.

What do Henderson, Sonnen and Belfort all have in common (aside from getting finished by "The Spider")?

They all compete with a prescription for Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT), which Quinton Jackson (also a user) said "immediately changed him" for the better after a few small doses.

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they're all a bunch of cheaters. Give Bisping his overdue title shot vs Anderson Silva in England that he should have gotten by now




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Michael Bisping keeps losing his title shot to "better" fighters...Should be the title.

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Posted by iwannabesedated

Michael Bisping keeps losing his title shot to "better" fighters...Should be the title.




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Posted by iwannabesedated

Michael Bisping keeps losing his title shot to "better" fighters...Should be the title.




That is the most uneducated answer ever given on such a serious topic as this.

Michael Bisping lost to 3 PED users who cheated. That's the bottom line here.

Wether or not PED's are granted and used in moderation, the fact remains that the fighters using this type of bodily drug are enhancing their abilities to gain extra strength, power and stamina whilst carrying an injury or cutting/gaining weight or rehabilitating an injury.

No fighter in this sport should be allowed to fight whilst taking any form of an illegal substance wether it be testosterone or any form of enhancing drugs or pain relief. If you cannot train and balance a healthy body without the use of PED's, then don't fight, go do something else.

These fighters are not stupid, Belfort in particular knew that fighting in Brazil where drug testing is on a different legalization to the States and European commissions that he could up the dosage and get a certificate to back up his usage.

PED's are going to damage this sport and any fighter who uses them while they fight are bending the rules and are cheating. There is no other explanation for it, Fighters who use and fight with it are CHEATERS.

There are other options available, Randy Couture is a true example. There are several foods and supplements out there to introduce to a fighters diet which in the long run can have outstanding effects. Taking PED's is the quickest and easiest way to regain where these fighters lose. IMO it should come with the territory, If your a fighter, then you except the consequences of all of the above and should not be allowed under any circumstances to use any form of PED that would give any fighter any chance of an advantage over an opponent come fight night.

If PED's stay in this sport, even under the banner of being certified under controlled usage, the The UFC and other Major MMA productions may as well drop their weight classes and let welter weight's fight Light heavyweight's and Feather weight's fight Heavyweight's as the whole point of having a sanctioned weight class is to protect the fighters and make each weight division a neutral ground for all walks of fighters. Allowing PED's to circulate each weight class is adding more risk and taking away the whole point of having different weight classes in the first place as fighters, like Belfort and others i am sure abuse the system and leave very little room for debate there for this type of activity stays under the radar.

One rule for all, or none at all. PED's will be the end of this sport should they stay in MMA. Fighters who use it are CHEATS. Bottom line.


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Posted by LightsOUT23


Posted by iwannabesedated

Michael Bisping keeps losing his title shot to "better" fighters...Should be the title.




That is the most uneducated answer ever given on such a serious topic as this.

Michael Bisping lost to 3 PED users who cheated. That's the bottom line here.

Wether or not PED's are granted and used in moderation, the fact remains that the fighters using this type of bodily drug are enhancing their abilities to gain extra strength, power and stamina whilst carrying an injury or cutting/gaining weight or rehabilitating an injury.

No fighter in this sport should be allowed to fight whilst taking any form of an illegal substance wether it be testosterone or any form of enhancing drugs or pain relief. If you cannot train and balance a healthy body without the use of PED's, then don't fight, go do something else.

These fighters are not stupid, Belfort in particular knew that fighting in Brazil where drug testing is on a different legalization to the States and European commissions that he could up the dosage and get a certificate to back up his usage.

PED's are going to damage this sport and any fighter who uses them while they fight are bending the rules and are cheating. There is no other explanation for it, Fighters who use and fight with it are CHEATERS.

There are other options available, Randy Couture is a true example. There are several foods and supplements out there to introduce to a fighters diet which in the long run can have outstanding effects. Taking PED's is the quickest and easiest way to regain where these fighters lose. IMO it should come with the territory, If your a fighter, then you except the consequences of all of the above and should not be allowed under any circumstances to use any form of PED that would give any fighter any chance of an advantage over an opponent come fight night.

If PED's stay in this sport, even under the banner of being certified under controlled usage, the The UFC and other Major MMA productions may as well drop their weight classes and let welter weight's fight Light heavyweight's and Feather weight's fight Heavyweight's as the whole point of having a sanctioned weight class is to protect the fighters and make each weight division a neutral ground for all walks of fighters. Allowing PED's to circulate each weight class is adding more risk and taking away the whole point of having different weight classes in the first place as fighters, like Belfort and others i am sure abuse the system and leave very little room for debate there for this type of activity stays under the radar.

One rule for all, or none at all. PED's will be the end of this sport should they stay in MMA. Fighters who use it are CHEATS. Bottom line.





How is uneducated when Bisping lost to those 3 ? he lost. TRT didn't help Vitor against Anderson or Jones when he fought them."if he was getting it at that time" Hendo is legend as is Wanderlei.

Bisping has and will never beat a great fighter,Deal with it man.He beats mid-tier fighters and that's it.

Who is his biggest win?

Stann?? Mayhem??? Leben? C'mon meow...Just come to terms with reality that Bisping is B level fighter and get on with your life.

Educate me on what makes Bisping great??

Fighters that have used TRT or got popped for roids have also lost fights. It's not like they make you unstoppable, Does or can it help yeah it can, But in general the better fighter still finds a way to win.

And if you think Bisping has had or is having a better career than Vitor,Chael,Hendo,Wandy or Rashad then i think you should back away from using the word uneducated.

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But didnt Chael not have a TUE for the Bisping fight?

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Posted by LightsOUT23


Posted by iwannabesedated

Michael Bisping keeps losing his title shot to "better" fighters...Should be the title.




That is the most uneducated answer ever given on such a serious topic as this.

Michael Bisping lost to 3 PED users who cheated. That's the bottom line here.

Wether or not PED's are granted and used in moderation, the fact remains that the fighters using this type of bodily drug are enhancing their abilities to gain extra strength, power and stamina whilst carrying an injury or cutting/gaining weight or rehabilitating an injury.

No fighter in this sport should be allowed to fight whilst taking any form of an illegal substance wether it be testosterone or any form of enhancing drugs or pain relief. If you cannot train and balance a healthy body without the use of PED's, then don't fight, go do something else.

These fighters are not stupid, Belfort in particular knew that fighting in Brazil where drug testing is on a different legalization to the States and European commissions that he could up the dosage and get a certificate to back up his usage.

PED's are going to damage this sport and any fighter who uses them while they fight are bending the rules and are cheating. There is no other explanation for it, Fighters who use and fight with it are CHEATERS.

There are other options available, Randy Couture is a true example. There are several foods and supplements out there to introduce to a fighters diet which in the long run can have outstanding effects. Taking PED's is the quickest and easiest way to regain where these fighters lose. IMO it should come with the territory, If your a fighter, then you except the consequences of all of the above and should not be allowed under any circumstances to use any form of PED that would give any fighter any chance of an advantage over an opponent come fight night.

If PED's stay in this sport, even under the banner of being certified under controlled usage, the The UFC and other Major MMA productions may as well drop their weight classes and let welter weight's fight Light heavyweight's and Feather weight's fight Heavyweight's as the whole point of having a sanctioned weight class is to protect the fighters and make each weight division a neutral ground for all walks of fighters. Allowing PED's to circulate each weight class is adding more risk and taking away the whole point of having different weight classes in the first place as fighters, like Belfort and others i am sure abuse the system and leave very little room for debate there for this type of activity stays under the radar.

One rule for all, or none at all. PED's will be the end of this sport should they stay in MMA. Fighters who use it are CHEATS. Bottom line.





You saying that's the most uneducated answer ever given is laughable. Especially when you counter with opinions, not facts...

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But didnt Chael not have a TUE for the Bisping fight?



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How is uneducated when Bisping lost to those 3 ? he lost. TRT didn't help Vitor against Anderson or Jones when he fought them."if he was getting it at that time" Hendo is legend as is Wanderlei.

Bisping has and will never beat a great fighter,Deal with it man.He beats mid-tier fighters and that's it.

Who is his biggest win?

Stann?? Mayhem??? Leben? C'mon meow...Just come to terms with reality that Bisping is B level fighter and get on with your life.

Educate me on what makes Bisping great??

Fighters that have used TRT or got popped for roids have also lost fights. It's not like they make you unstoppable, Does or can it help yeah it can, But in general the better fighter still finds a way to win.

And if you think Bisping has had or is having a better career than Vitor,Chael,Hendo,Wandy or Rashad then i think you should back away from using the word uneducated.




But your point is that Bisping lost to "Better" fighters.

Anybody on TRT is cheating their bodies natural ability and in using these PED's are able gain a huge advantage over any opponent by way of muscle, power and strength. Its no different in any sport, if you use PED's you are cheating !!! ... That does not make them "Better" does it ???

Belfort, Henderson & Sonnen are three fighters who have all used some form of PED's and have like most fighters won fights and lost fights. If all three of these guys have all used PED's throughout their careers keeping in mind different commissions have different regulations all over the world allowing fighters who use PED's to up or drop dosage to comply with the commissions where ever in the world they are fighting, then i would say what are the chances that most of the times they have lost or had a bad performance may come down to the amount of PED's they were able to use dependent on where they fought. Its a possibility, and considering these three fighters are blatant users of Testosterone then they are all open cheaters.

I do not think Bisping is a great fighter, but had he fought a clean, drug free Belfort in Brazil that there is a huge possibility that the fight would have played out differently. Belfort winning or losing, it should be on a level platform with no advantage through the use of PED's.

So how does that make them "Better" ??? ... Advantageous maybe, but not Better !!!

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You saying that's the most uneducated answer ever given is laughable. Especially when you counter with opinions, not facts...



Performance Enhancing drugs give any fighter an advantage - That is a FACT my friend !!!

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How is uneducated when Bisping lost to those 3 ? he lost. TRT didn't help Vitor against Anderson or Jones when he fought them."if he was getting it at that time" Hendo is legend as is Wanderlei.

Bisping has and will never beat a great fighter,Deal with it man.He beats mid-tier fighters and that's it.

Who is his biggest win?

Stann?? Mayhem??? Leben? C'mon meow...Just come to terms with reality that Bisping is B level fighter and get on with your life.

Educate me on what makes Bisping great??

Fighters that have used TRT or got popped for roids have also lost fights. It's not like they make you unstoppable, Does or can it help yeah it can, But in general the better fighter still finds a way to win.

And if you think Bisping has had or is having a better career than Vitor,Chael,Hendo,Wandy or Rashad then i think you should back away from using the word uneducated.




But your point is that Bisping lost to "Better" fighters.

Anybody on TRT is cheating their bodies natural ability and in using these PED's are able gain a huge advantage over any opponent by way of muscle, power and strength. Its no different in any sport, if you use PED's you are cheating !!! ... That does not make them "Better" does it ???

Belfort, Henderson & Sonnen are three fighters who have all used some form of PED's and have like most fighters won fights and lost fights. If all three of these guys have all used PED's throughout their careers keeping in mind different commissions have different regulations all over the world allowing fighters who use PED's to up or drop dosage to comply with the commissions where ever in the world they are fighting, then i would say what are the chances that most of the times they have lost or had a bad performance may come down to the amount of PED's they were able to use dependent on where they fought. Its a possibility, and considering these three fighters are blatant users of Testosterone then they are all open cheaters.

I do not think Bisping is a great fighter, but had he fought a clean, drug free Belfort in Brazil that there is a huge possibility that the fight would have played out differently. Belfort winning or losing, it should be on a level platform with no advantage through the use of PED's.

So how does that make them "Better" ??? ... Advantageous maybe, but not Better !!!



I'm sure there is a public library in your town, Most are free to join or hell you may even be able to google it but check out a science or anatomy book one day.as you get older your body slows down,Therefore creating less of what it used to, So the AC and doctors have found it acceptable that guys can use TRT to keep up to normal ratio of what the average bodies produce...so technically its not having advantage its having a ratio of what a nomal body produces...If it's not a ridiculous amount its fair....So stop make a deal about something that isn't.You'e making a mountain out of a mole hill.if it was cheating it'd be illegal and it's not so ITS NOT CHEATING.

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I'm sure there is a public library in your town, Most are free to join or hell you may even be able to google it but check out a science or anatomy book one day.as you get older your body slows down,Therefore creating less of what it used to, So the AC and doctors have found it acceptable that guys can use TRT to keep up to normal ratio of what the average bodies produce...so technically its not having advantage its having a ratio of what a nomal body produces...If it's not a ridiculous amount its fair....So stop make a deal about something that isn't.You'e making a mountain out of a mole hill.if it was cheating it'd be illegal and it's not so ITS NOT CHEATING.



"as you get older your body slows down,Therefore creating less of what it used to"

"guys can use TRT to keep up to normal ratio of what the average bodies produce...so technically its not having advantage its having a ratio of what a nomal body produces"

You just said it yourself....


Adding TRT to an aging body is cheating your bodies natural capabilities to be able to gain what your body can no longer produce, that is why TRT is a PED. Monitored or not monitored, its a PED and would give any fighter a clear cut advantage, especially when some athletic commissions allow testosterone users to be up to 5 times over the normal amount !!!

... How you can say that's not a clear advantage for any fighter who uses TRT is beyond me !!!!

Yet you argue too that TRT users like Belfort do not gain any extra strength or fighting abilities from using TRT is just unbelievable, a little hint for you, that is the exact reason fighters like Belfort use it in the first place. To gain an advantage, these guys are not stupid !!!!

The fact that these Athletic regulators allow such drugs to be used in a controlled way gives a green light for fighters like Belfort to indulge all they can. Up to 5 times over???

Come on, Its like saying you can be up to 5 times your normal amount but not 6 times because that would be illegal !!!!

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