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UFC President Dana White Doesn’t Think a Fighters Union Will Ever Happen

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In any industry that employs a vast number of people – particularly industries where there are wide differences in compensation – there is always talk of whether or not the workers should form a union to protect the interests of the masses when it seems a small group reaps the highest benefits.

Talk of a fighters union has long been on the tongues of many, especially with the exploding success of mixed martial arts across the globe.

It seems little effort has been made over the years to actually form a union for mixed martial arts athletes.

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Post #1   11/24/12 5:08:44PM   

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well I suspect it will happen one day...give the sport time to build up more fighters..

Post #2   11/24/12 7:28:19PM   

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I have been in a union for 15 years
Without it I would have been fired for sure

There is no loyalty with business
U make more they make shitty excuses to get rid of u
Union won't allow shitty excuses to fire u cause u get paid more. U put in the time.

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This coming from the guy that said women would never be in the UFC

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I'm sure he hopes it won't happen. I think the ball is in Dana's court, and depending on how he proceeds in the future will dictate if it will happen or not.

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To become a legitimate major sport it is going to have to happen. Dana is living in a fantasy land if he actually thinks he can control every aspect of the UFC.


All its going to take is a few fighters, who fight being cut and were gonna see legal battles popping up .

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“It’s going to be tough to see a day when (Anderson) Silva or GSP is giving up big chunks of their money to guys who won’t make two fights in the UFC.”

The truth. None of the top paid (UFC loyal) fighters would want any part of this. Which is Dana's obvious reason for stating this.

Plus, these people are on contract. Three losses and your out is the usual, and it should be.

Of course there won't be a UFC Fighters Union.

Dana is not living in fantasy land.

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There is a big difference in the number of top paid fighters and lesser paid fighters.


There are guys in the UFC who win making CHUMP change but because their names aren't big enough. That's messed up in my book.


Silva and the like make plenty of money.


Change the pay and contract structure then. Keep it fair stop playing favorites

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And the most valuable employees (ones you can't risk firing) will be on board with this?

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Who cares if their on board.

Just because you make the most money that means you get to control someone else's fate? That doesn't make any sense at all.

Of course Silva wouldn't want any part of it he is already making the big bucks. He would want to keep it that way. Same with everyone else like that. My point is to keep it fair. The current system is far from that but Dana doesn't care he's all about the benjamins and always will be. That's a damn shame

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Your argument seems to be more if it should happen.
Where mine is only would it happen.
Yeah, it probably should happen.

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The UFC makes a tonne of money. The extra money shouldn't and wouldn't be coming from fighters like GSP and Anderson. It would come from Zuffa.

It's pretty ridiculous for him to imply there isn't enough money being made for ALL the fighters to be paid decently. Remember Dana use to trash boxing promoters for not paying the undercard guys enough, and now he's doing the same thing.

The Fertita's own Station Casino's and UFC. That's where they make their money. Station Casion's filed for bankruptcy in 2009, and a year later Lorenzo was announced as the 385th richest man in the USA, and Frank who (has less involvement with the UFC, and probably less shares didn't make the list.

So how did Lorenzo go from president of a bankrupt casino to a billionaire? That came from the UFC. Forbes even said that themselves in the article declaring him #385. And all this while the UFC is spending boatloads on marketing themselves globally. They even hired top Washington DC thinktanks to work for them to spread the name UFC and Ultimate fighting instead of MMA. They love to spend profits but not to share them with the fighters. Why should Anderson or GSP care if the UFC grows if they don't share enough of that growth profit with them?

Floyd Mayweather fought twice in 2010, and earned himself $60 million in salary and winnings. He averages 1 million PPV sells.

Brock Lesnar also sold a couple of 1 million buy PPV's. Brock made about $500k a fight plus $2 million in PPV bonus.

HBO sold 1.4 million PPV's for Mayweather vs Mosley at $50 a pop, and earned $78.3 million in revenus from the fight.

The average UFC sells half to a third of that but thats still 20-30 million per PPV of which they give out 2-4 million to the fighters. Yeah, GSP and Anderson and all the rest of them can afford to be paid well at the same time. Dana just doesn't want to share or take the blame, so he's changing the conversation to be about who makes the most for the UFC. Certainly not Frank and Dana yet they feel they deserve way way way way more than the fighters. Zuffa can't beleive in their argument or they would be giving more to Anderson and GSP and less to themselves, if they feel those fighters deserve all the credit for UFC PPV sales.

Anderson and GSP could benefit a lot from an MMA union. After seeing how Zuffa demonized WAMMA and everybody went along with it, I don't see how a union would become possible. If Dana says a union is bad then most people will believe him.

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The UFC makes a tonne of money. The extra money shouldn't and wouldn't be coming from fighters like GSP and Anderson. It would come from Zuffa.

It's pretty ridiculous for him to imply there isn't enough money being made for ALL the fighters to be paid decently. Remember Dana use to trash boxing promoters for not paying the undercard guys enough, and now he's doing the same thing.

The Fertita's own Station Casino's and UFC. That's where they make their money. Station Casion's filed for bankruptcy in 2009, and a year later Lorenzo was announced as the 385th richest man in the USA, and Frank who (has less involvement with the UFC, and probably less shares didn't make the list.

So how did Lorenzo go from president of a bankrupt casino to a billionaire? That came from the UFC. Forbes even said that themselves in the article declaring him #385. And all this while the UFC is spending boatloads on marketing themselves globally. They even hired top Washington DC thinktanks to work for them to spread the name UFC and Ultimate fighting instead of MMA. They love to spend profits but not to share them with the fighters. Why should Anderson or GSP care if the UFC grows if they don't share enough of that growth profit with them?

Floyd Mayweather fought twice in 2010, and earned himself $60 million in salary and winnings. He averages 1 million PPV sells.

Brock Lesnar also sold a couple of 1 million buy PPV's. Brock made about $500k a fight plus $2 million in PPV bonus.

HBO sold 1.4 million PPV's for Mayweather vs Mosley at $50 a pop, and earned $78.3 million in revenus from the fight.

The average UFC sells half to a third of that but thats still 20-30 million per PPV of which they give out 2-4 million to the fighters. Yeah, GSP and Anderson and all the rest of them can afford to be paid well at the same time. Dana just doesn't want to share or take the blame, so he's changing the conversation to be about who makes the most for the UFC. Certainly not Frank and Dana yet they feel they deserve way way way way more than the fighters. Zuffa can't beleive in their argument or they would be giving more to Anderson and GSP and less to themselves, if they feel those fighters deserve all the credit for UFC PPV sales.

Anderson and GSP could benefit a lot from an MMA union. After seeing how Zuffa demonized WAMMA and everybody went along with it, I don't see how a union would become possible. If Dana says a union is bad then most people will believe him.


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Your argument seems to be more if it should happen.
Where mine is only would it happen.
Yeah, it probably should happen.




When you talk about if Silva would be on board with this he would not have a choice...

The way a union works is by numbers....

Say GSP Jon Jones and Silva do Not want a union......Who will they fight if everyone else does? Strength in numbers...

Basically there are so many paid so little....On any particular card basically one maybe 2 guys off the top of my head are probably making 60 to 70 percent of total payout....Take out the top two paid guys on any card and you have a bunch of other guys risking their life for a small percentage...

I think its sad these guys have not already formed a union...It would benefit all the fighters in the long run...


Of course you dont split everything even...There are wage scales for number of years served and such...

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