CRAZINESS! Lyoto Machida Turns Down Title Shot, Jon Jones To Face Vitor Belfort At UFC 152 |
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hymiekooken
MMA Regular
Career record: 155-126
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: On the Vitor train
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Mabye Dana should have called up Ronda Rousey and offered her the Jones fight. She probably would have taken it.
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Post #46 8/24/12 10:14:59AM
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MALICE
MMA Sensei
Career record: 407-201
Season: 22-2 (#30)
Location: Minnesota
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Wow, good for Belfort. Not my first pick. 20 probably made the best point. Let Jones sit until this chaotic roller coaster slows down.
A few years back, fighters did not care about training camps. If an opportunity presented itself, or an opponent was injured at the last minute, someone would fill in and the fight would go on. Much respect to the fighters who still have this attitude.
I can understand wanting a full training camp before a fight. That is a smart move. But all of this, "I was training for a different style," attitude has become a little ridiculous. GSP, Hughes, Liddell, Couture, Franklin, Wanderlei, Henderson, Noguiera, etc. would not turn down a fight for that reason. The sport is changing. Politics > Pride 
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Post #47 8/24/12 10:40:10AM
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icantthinkofanything
Belt Contender
Career record: 595-415
Season: 17-2 (#753)
Location: between hell and hells kitchen
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this is a cool change. Anderson would have been the best, and the fact that he wants the fight, they should drop Vitor and have Silva fight Jones on whatever date posssible.
is it just me, or does it seem like starting with Chael, that MW's are being chosen as backup fighters over lhw's, that must prove that lhw's want no part of JJ, or the division is cleaned out. what about Glover(lil experience), Gusto , lil nog, hell even Forest Griffin has some wins. I like Vitor as a challenger, but I always said Chael has a speed edge usually coupled with his force of nature pressure and takedowns, he may be able to get inside Jones reach, compared to Vitor who everyone should like as a replacement because of his blitz and lightning fast hands,
although i BET Vitor will get taken down and finished. If Vitor got spectacular take down defense and adapted his bjj to utilize chokes and locks, than he could win. Vitor is not as strong as he was at lhw, and Jones takedowns and throws come efortessly on most, and come from 10 feet away. There is no way Jones will stand with Vitor with the power and speed combined, a combo rampage or others haven't had advantage over JJ with. I doubt he turned down Weidman, but if he turned down chael that could be a good next fight if no one else is available.
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Post #48 8/24/12 10:58:09AM
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Chael_Sonnen
Heavyweight Champ
Career record: 521-343
Season: 17-7 (#819)
Location: Say MY Name
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Posted by Shawn91111
For a fair fight it should be Old Vitor and New Vitor vs Jones
You mean "old mental midget(s)" vs "new mental midget"?
No thanks.
Last edited 8/24/12 11:31AM by chael_sonnen
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Post #49 8/24/12 11:31:01AM
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Franklinfan47
Heavyweight Champ
Career record: 997-549
Season: 19-5 (#302)
Location: Ontario
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Wont happen, but ill be rooting for a Vitor KO  Mad respect.
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Post #50 8/24/12 11:32:44AM
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crushedbacon
In Full Mount
Career record: 841-549
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Calgary
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I was thinking this last night... I bet Lyoto was thrilled finding out he gets Jones in 30 days, when he was planning for likely January. The people that are calling Machida and Shogun cowards are just talking out their asses... both guys fought 3 weeks ago and the stakes are very high for these guys, so why not give yourself the best chance the next time you fight Jones? Likely the last chance Machida or Shogun will get.
I'd be interested to know if Gustuvsson and Evans where given a call.... Gus hasn't fought since April and I'm really interested to see that fight.
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Post #51 8/24/12 11:43:43AM
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meier
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YES! YES! YES!
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Post #52 8/24/12 12:07:22PM
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TheCatFather
MMA Regular
Career record: 919-660
Season: 15-8 (#1335)
Location: Brooklyn
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I recall the days when everyone and anyone would stab there own mother at Thanksgiving dinner just to fight on an undercard SMH!!!!!!!!!!
Chael, Silva and Belfor for at least keeping the Gladiator way alive.
  Bones Jones may this fight be your last as champ 
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Post #53 8/24/12 12:08:24PM
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Twenty20Dollars
Heavyweight Champ
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Dislike that statement from Lorenzo.
"Real fighter"
I'm sorry that your sport has evolved and not just anyone can step in on a moments notice, when we are talking about fighting at the top of your game against the best in the world.
I'm sorry you give guys full training camps for other fights, but not when you really need them to fight.
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Post #54 8/24/12 12:27:42PM
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Manak
Belt Contender
Career record: 154-103
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Location: Texas
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Posted by Twenty20Dollars
Dislike that statement from Lorenzo.
"Real fighter"
I'm sorry that your sport has evolved and not just anyone can step in on a moments notice, when we are talking about fighting at the top of your game against the best in the world.
I'm sorry you give guys full training camps for other fights, but not when you really need them to fight.
it being a sport is all the more reason for someone to step in. i wonder when tom brady blow out his knee if his backup was like "uhhh nooo i don't wanna go in bill i haven't had enough reps in practice & these D-line guys are really big so i don't wanna risk it." like MALICE said Politics > Pride, that is how the sport is evolving which isn't good, just ask boxing.
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Post #55 8/24/12 12:35:35PM
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REBEL WITH A CAUSE
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Posted by Twenty20Dollars
Dislike that statement from Lorenzo.
"Real fighter"
I'm sorry that your sport has evolved and not just anyone can step in on a moments notice, when we are talking about fighting at the top of your game against the best in the world.
I'm sorry you give guys full training camps for other fights, but not when you really need them to fight.
When you REALLY need them most likely means there's no time for a full training camp. I applaud the guys that will step up and risk their "status" for a short notice fight. You're gonna gain a lot of respect when you step forward and not backward.
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Post #56 8/24/12 12:36:39PM
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Chael_Sonnen
Heavyweight Champ
Career record: 521-343
Season: 17-7 (#819)
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Posted by Twenty20Dollars
Dislike that statement from Lorenzo.
"Real fighter"
I'm sorry that your sport has evolved and not just anyone can step in on a moments notice, when we are talking about fighting at the top of your game against the best in the world.
I'm sorry you give guys full training camps for other fights, but not when you really need them to fight.
Step away from your computer before you insert both of your feet in your mouth.
Training Camps are for brats roasting marsh mellows along side a fire.....Real "fighters" step up when needed.
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Post #57 8/24/12 1:12:04PM
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Twenty20Dollars
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Posted by Chael_Sonnen
Posted by Twenty20Dollars
Dislike that statement from Lorenzo.
"Real fighter"
I'm sorry that your sport has evolved and not just anyone can step in on a moments notice, when we are talking about fighting at the top of your game against the best in the world.
I'm sorry you give guys full training camps for other fights, but not when you really need them to fight.
Step away from your computer before you insert both of your feet in your mouth.
Training Camps are for brats roasting marsh mellows along side a fire.....Real "fighters" step up when needed.
Then why not call Tim Sylvia.
Last edited 8/24/12 1:17PM by twenty20dollars
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Post #58 8/24/12 1:14:42PM
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Twenty20Dollars
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Posted by Manak
Posted by Twenty20Dollars
Dislike that statement from Lorenzo.
"Real fighter"
I'm sorry that your sport has evolved and not just anyone can step in on a moments notice, when we are talking about fighting at the top of your game against the best in the world.
I'm sorry you give guys full training camps for other fights, but not when you really need them to fight.
it being a sport is all the more reason for someone to step in. i wonder when tom brady blow out his knee if his backup was like "uhhh nooo i don't wanna go in bill i haven't had enough reps in practice & these D-line guys are really big so i don't wanna risk it." like MALICE said Politics > Pride, that is how the sport is evolving which isn't good, just ask boxing.
Ah, yes the guy the back up QB that is practicing all week.
I've seen other fighters opinions about it, but they know or have been in the situation rather than Lorenzo.
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Post #59 8/24/12 1:21:25PM
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Twenty20Dollars
Heavyweight Champ
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I'm confused as why they put Jones at 152, but didn't have anyone officially set as his opponent.
They needed Jones to fight so badly?
UFC backed themselves into this situation.
Last edited 8/24/12 1:33PM by twenty20dollars
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Post #60 8/24/12 1:25:14PM
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