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If it quacks like a duck . . . and turns down a fight like a duck . . . it's a duck.


But I don't really have a problem with it. Why would someone want to enter a huge risk/no reward fight like Glover? You wouldn't bitch if the UFC turned down an opportunity to counter-program the Super Bowl, or didn't allow its champs to fight the Bellator champs.

It is a business for the fighters, too. They don't have long careers, and no one is taking care of them after its over. Shogun is 2-3 in his last 5. This is a crucial point in his career. A main event against Vera on FOX is infinitely more desirable than a fight with Glover from Shogun's pov.

I wouldn't be surprised to see this fight get made in the future if there is a potential title shot on the line, but for right now Shogun is ducking it because it is a shitty fight for his career.

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Everybody thinks real highly of Texeira but come on whose the best guy he's beaten, a past his prime Ricco,. This is all a charade to get Texeira a title shot and
I hope he gets one but honestly, Shogun isn't in the title picture right now so how does that warrant a title shot.



agree, they wanted to build up Teixeira by tearing down Shogun and Shogun wasn't going for it.

Dana is just pissed that Shogun isn't playing along.





So you are saying Shogun was gonna lose? Lol Good argument against ducking. Don't take fights you will lose. Where would the UFC be if everyone did that?

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Same damn thing when Liddell was coming off the 2nd Rampage loss. He needed a win to get back on track and Chuck was presented with four possible opponents. Keith Jardine, "Shogun" Rua, Kazuhiro Nakamura, and Lyoto Machida. Based on several factors, including popularity and familiarity, the decision was made to go with Jardine.





He wasn't given options. He was offered Glover and refused. Big difference.

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Posted by bjj1605


Posted by sbulldavid

Everybody thinks real highly of Texeira but come on whose the best guy he's beaten, a past his prime Ricco,. This is all a charade to get Texeira a title shot and
I hope he gets one but honestly, Shogun isn't in the title picture right now so how does that warrant a title shot.



agree, they wanted to build up Teixeira by tearing down Shogun and Shogun wasn't going for it.

Dana is just pissed that Shogun isn't playing along.





So you are saying Shogun was gonna lose? Lol Good argument against ducking. Don't take fights you will lose. Where would the UFC be if everyone did that?



Strange.....

I re-read my post several times. No where do I say that I think Shogun was going to lose.

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Same damn thing when Liddell was coming off the 2nd Rampage loss. He needed a win to get back on track and Chuck was presented with four possible opponents. Keith Jardine, "Shogun" Rua, Kazuhiro Nakamura, and Lyoto Machida. Based on several factors, including popularity and familiarity, the decision was made to go with Jardine.





He wasn't given options. He was offered Glover and refused. Big difference.



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Posted by Shawn91111


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Same damn thing when Liddell was coming off the 2nd Rampage loss. He needed a win to get back on track and Chuck was presented with four possible opponents. Keith Jardine, "Shogun" Rua, Kazuhiro Nakamura, and Lyoto Machida. Based on several factors, including popularity and familiarity, the decision was made to go with Jardine.





He wasn't given options. He was offered Glover and refused. Big difference.



Turning down a fight is an option



But that doesnt mean you are not ducking, nor is it the same thing as picking from 4 different fighters.

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Posted by bjj1605


Posted by lll-lll


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Posted by sbulldavid

Everybody thinks real highly of Texeira but come on whose the best guy he's beaten, a past his prime Ricco,. This is all a charade to get Texeira a title shot and
I hope he gets one but honestly, Shogun isn't in the title picture right now so how does that warrant a title shot.



agree, they wanted to build up Teixeira by tearing down Shogun and Shogun wasn't going for it.

Dana is just pissed that Shogun isn't playing along.





So you are saying Shogun was gonna lose? Lol Good argument against ducking. Don't take fights you will lose. Where would the UFC be if everyone did that?



Strange.....

I re-read my post several times. No where do I say that I think Shogun was going to lose.




The only way to build Glover up by "tearing Shogun down" would be if he lost. You can say something without saying it directly.

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Rampage could fight Teixeira. That would be fun.

Or

Gustafsson vs Teixeira?

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Rampage could fight Teixeira. That would be fun.

Or

Gustafsson vs Teixeira?



Is Gustafsson hurt? I thought he was hurt. Id watch either fight though. Would be interesting. I think it wouldnt be fair to Alexander. He is actually firmly in the title picture, unlike Shogun. I think he would lose to Gust and kill Rampage, but Id love to see either.

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If it quacks like a duck . . . and turns down a fight like a duck . . . it's a duck.


But I don't really have a problem with it. Why would someone want to enter a huge risk/no reward fight like Glover? You wouldn't bitch if the UFC turned down an opportunity to counter-program the Super Bowl, or didn't allow its champs to fight the Bellator champs.

It is a business for the fighters, too. They don't have long careers, and no one is taking care of them after its over. Shogun is 2-3 in his last 5. This is a crucial point in his career. A main event against Vera on FOX is infinitely more desirable than a fight with Glover from Shogun's pov.

I wouldn't be surprised to see this fight get made in the future if there is a potential title shot on the line, but for right now Shogun is ducking it because it is a shitty fight for his career.



Hypothetical: So if co-promotion was possible and they offered Shogun a fight with Virgil Zwicker from Strikeforce for example and Shogun says no, it's still ducking to people at that point? This is essentially the same situation. Teixeira has no name, has barely any big league experience, and at this point of his career it's hard to see him beating Shogun anyway on top of that Glover can't headline yet, which makes you more money and gets you more money from sponsors etc. to headline.

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If it quacks like a duck . . . and turns down a fight like a duck . . . it's a duck.


But I don't really have a problem with it. Why would someone want to enter a huge risk/no reward fight like Glover? You wouldn't bitch if the UFC turned down an opportunity to counter-program the Super Bowl, or didn't allow its champs to fight the Bellator champs.

It is a business for the fighters, too. They don't have long careers, and no one is taking care of them after its over. Shogun is 2-3 in his last 5. This is a crucial point in his career. A main event against Vera on FOX is infinitely more desirable than a fight with Glover from Shogun's pov.

I wouldn't be surprised to see this fight get made in the future if there is a potential title shot on the line, but for right now Shogun is ducking it because it is a shitty fight for his career.



Hypothetical: So if co-promotion was possible and they offered Shogun a fight with Virgil Zwicker from Strikeforce for example and Shogun says no, it's still ducking to people at that point? This is essentially the same situation. Teixeira has no name, has barely any big league experience, and at this point of his career it's hard to see him beating Shogun anyway on top of that Glover can't headline yet, which makes you more money and gets you more money from sponsors etc. to headline.



LMAO I guess you know little of Glover. This guy is no joke. Evevn Shogun says that. BTW people are forgetting that the UFC thought Glover was name enough to headline, so he must have some value to them. If Glover is no match for Shogun why didnt he accept the fight? Didnt take him long to jump on the bum they gave him.

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You can say something without saying it directly.



You can also infer something that isn't someone else's intention.

For the record - 95% of the fighters in the UFC have turned down a fight at one point or another. Why aren't you berating all the other fighters? If what you have qualm with is really "ducking", than why is it you only talk about Shogun? Clearly you don't have a problem with turning down fights, you just have a problem with Glover being turned down. Why? Because you're a Glover fan, you're nutty, and clearly you can't identify your own motivations.

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this ain't rocky, glover hasn't beaten anyone with enough name value to warrant a fight with a contender like shogun, if shogun lost to him the ufc could argue that he lost to a no name fightter when they negotiate contracts and short change him like they did Werdum when he lost to dos santos.

Shogun won't have a problem with the fight when glover beats a couple of opponents stronger than kingsbury.

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Glover not a top fighter but vera is !!!!
Okay!!!

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Posted by lll-lll


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Posted by ncordless

If it quacks like a duck . . . and turns down a fight like a duck . . . it's a duck.


But I don't really have a problem with it. Why would someone want to enter a huge risk/no reward fight like Glover? You wouldn't bitch if the UFC turned down an opportunity to counter-program the Super Bowl, or didn't allow its champs to fight the Bellator champs.

It is a business for the fighters, too. They don't have long careers, and no one is taking care of them after its over. Shogun is 2-3 in his last 5. This is a crucial point in his career. A main event against Vera on FOX is infinitely more desirable than a fight with Glover from Shogun's pov.

I wouldn't be surprised to see this fight get made in the future if there is a potential title shot on the line, but for right now Shogun is ducking it because it is a shitty fight for his career.



Hypothetical: So if co-promotion was possible and they offered Shogun a fight with Virgil Zwicker from Strikeforce for example and Shogun says no, it's still ducking to people at that point? This is essentially the same situation. Teixeira has no name, has barely any big league experience, and at this point of his career it's hard to see him beating Shogun anyway on top of that Glover can't headline yet, which makes you more money and gets you more money from sponsors etc. to headline.



LMAO I guess you know little of Glover. This guy is no joke. Evevn Shogun says that. BTW people are forgetting that the UFC thought Glover was name enough to headline, so he must have some value to them. If Glover is no match for Shogun why didnt he accept the fight? Didnt take him long to jump on the bum they gave him.



Actually I do, I posted in the UFC signs Glover thread happy that he was signed and I think I posted in this thread about how I respect Glover and his skills but turning down the fight was the right move for Rua. The UFC thought Glover could headline? Where's the Dana quote on that one so I can mention how much I don't trust him.

Glover vs Shogun was not headlining a PPV you're being delusional.

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