Kim Winslow admitted there was no verbal submission from John Albert |
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"Gerry Rodriguez: Did Kim Winslow say anything after the fight? Did she come over and say, "Sorry, I blew it," any type of interaction?
John Albert: No, none at all. There was nothing at all. All I know was the story of I grunted trying to get out of the armbar, she stopped it, I kept yelling "I didn't tap, I didn't tap!" and she said, "You verbally tapped," and I yelled, "No I didn't, no I didn't!" and Dennis Hallman, being the good coach that he is, went in and started yelling at her and after the fight brought her down to the commission and said, "Explain to me what happened? He didn't tap" and she goes, "Well he didn't verbally tap. I was afraid for his arm." Those were her exact words in front of the commission. It's however they want to take it."
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Post #1 6/7/12 6:27:03PM
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infestructure
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How long before she seriously injures someone or their career with her foolish decisions?
Win-Slow gota go
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Post #2 6/7/12 6:30:32PM
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This girls gotta go!
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Post #3 6/7/12 6:32:25PM
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Steady MODdin'
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She's there to be eye candy, pure and simple.
Tell me you wouldn't want to make a deposit where she's pointing. 
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Post #4 6/7/12 6:33:12PM
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Twenty20Dollars
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I also read this and have to post this part below. Albert grunted or whatever, made a noise. Kim should have been at a different angle as Albert said after Brian read his the rule.
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Brian Hemminger (MMAmania.com): I think, as far as I know in the rulebooks, if you scream or make a loud noise, the ref can step in and put a stop to it because they'll assume that it's your body naturally reacting to the pain or something like that.
John Albert: I'll really have to look that up because I don't think that's a rule. I know you have to physically tap three times, you have to yell "tap" or "I quit." You can yell at any time. You can't stop a fight just because someone yells. What if I yell at your just standing there. I understand that your body might be taking over, but I don't know. In my opinion, you should never stop a fight unless someone says, "I stop" where the fighter is cognitively choosing to stop. Just because I go "Ungh!" that's not me thinking I want to stop.
Brian Hemminger (MMAmania.com): Okay, here. This is from the UFC's website so it's as legit as it gets. It says, "A fight can be stopped by a referee due to a fighter screaming in agony if they're in a submission. Now I don't think you did. In my opinion, you weren't screaming in agony. That was just a grunt to get out of position. I think [Winslow] took liberty with the rule and made a judgement call because nobody heard it. It must have been a really light grunt and she just jdove in. That's the way I saw it.
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Post #5 6/7/12 7:23:46PM
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FastKnockout
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This isn't the first time it's happened. Let's just throw out the rule.
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Post #6 6/7/12 7:57:28PM
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pmoney
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If you're afraid, be it as a fighter, referee, or judge you have no place in the sport. Now John Albert has a loss on his record because Kim Winslow was afraid for him.
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Post #7 6/7/12 8:15:01PM
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Gogoplatapus
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The point of this all is that she admitted no verbal tap and stopped the fight because she feared for his arm.
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Post #8 6/7/12 8:30:08PM
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Posted by Gogoplatapus
The point of this all is that she admitted no verbal tap and stopped the fight because she feared for his arm.
if this is the case, then every fight Paul Harris grabs someone's leg the fight should be stopped that instant
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Post #9 6/7/12 8:41:36PM
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The ref is there for 2 things.
Fighter safety
And enforcing the rules of the octagon
While I still don't agree with her stoppage I can still say she did her job.
This is a weird situation and under the circumstance I can't really fault her for what she did.
However as far as being at the right angle and what not flame away at her
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Post #10 6/7/12 8:43:11PM
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infestructure
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"Well he didn't verbally tap. I was afraid for his arm."
Should be changed to a no contest. And immediate rematch, was a great fight before the insane woman took it over.
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Post #11 6/7/12 8:48:02PM
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Posted by Bubbles
Posted by Gogoplatapus
The point of this all is that she admitted no verbal tap and stopped the fight because she feared for his arm.
if this is the case, then every fight Paul Harris grabs someone's leg the fight should be stopped that instant
I'd throw Mir in there also, he's stacking up a nice collection of arms
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Post #12 6/7/12 8:54:54PM
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Posted by infestructure
"Well he didn't verbally tap. I was afraid for his arm."
Should be changed to a no contest. And immediate rematch, was a great fight before the insane woman took it over.
I agree
It should be changed to a no contest.
BUT wouldn't changing it to a NC totally undermine the time that is already written??
If so. Do away with the rule to avoid some fighters getting the short end of the stick
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Post #13 6/7/12 8:55:51PM
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Twenty20Dollars
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If this was changed to a no contest, then so would TJ Grant vs Shane Roller and Sonnen vs Filho.
The rule is probably there to help protect the fighter and help the referee protect the fighter.
While maybe not a great rule, it is a rule.
Fighters need to be more informed on the rule, which I thought they were told before the fight.
And ref's need to get at better angles and learn about the submissions.
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Post #14 6/7/12 8:56:23PM
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Posted by cowcatcher
She's there to be eye candy, pure and simple.
Tell me you wouldn't want to make a deposit where she's pointing.
that's funny you put that up Cowcatcher cuz that's the same face I make when I see her
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Post #15 6/7/12 8:57:18PM
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