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Posted by Spanglepants

oh my god, is this ever gonna die?

i don't get the boner so many mma fans have for this guy.

yeah, he beat a bunch of people in pride, who cares? pride was forever ago in mma terms.

for a while i thought people just liked the idea of some unstoppable fighter who didn't say much and beat everyone despite being a chubby guy. 3 stoppage losses later you would think that whole aura of invincibility would be shattered. but no, the guy crushes 2 cans and now all of a sudden people are back to fantasizing about him coming to the ufc and clearing out the heavyweight division.




It's actually the other way around.

He loses a few and everyone thinks he's irrelevant

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he's been irrelevant since about 2008.

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Posted by Spanglepants

he's been irrelevant since about 2008.



To be fair - Arlovski and Sylvia were both ranked (universally!) within the top 5 at the time of their fights with Fedor, and those fights happened between 2008-2009.

What's silly about your statement is that it implies Fedor wasn't irrelevant when he was fighting Lindland or Choi in 2007, but rather, when he was fighting top 5 Hw's a year later.

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i actually give him props on the choi fight. he fought a much larger man. i don't care how good someone is, when you are talking about that much of a weight disadvantage, it's a factor in the fight. that fight would be like a bantamweight taking on someone roughly the size of crocop.

as far as the lindland fight, i still considered fedor relevant in 2007. it was his 1st fight out of pride, he'd built up enough credibility over the years to coast for a fight or 2.

that brings us to sylvia and arlovski. while they may have been ranked in the top 5 at the time, there is no denying both of them were on their way out of that ranking at that point in their careers. in my opinion this would have been the time for him to step up and take on some of the top guys in the ufc. but he didn't, and that's why i feel around 08 is when he started to fade from relevance. i guess irrelevant is kind of a strong word. around that time i would have put him in the top 10, but not the top 5 and no way in hell #1 like many did.

in short, he was the best heavyweight in the 04/06 era. he may have been the best in the 07/08 era but he didn't step up to test himself against competition with a legit case for the #1 or #2 spot. by the time he'd fought rodgers, he'd taken almost a year off and there had been enough movement in the division that i don't see how you could even argue he was still relevant in the division.

i tend to look at rankings and relevancy as things that are very "right here and right now" if a fighter just isn't very active and when he does fight, it's against fighters that aren't at the top of the division, i don't think it's fair to rank that fighter so highly based off what he did years ago. if he came back and tore through the ufc, i'd be the 1st to say "he's the #1 in the world right now" but i'm not gonna call him a top contender because he beat monson in a decision and someone who as 4-1-1 at the time.

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Posted by Spanglepants

i actually give him props on the choi fight. he fought a much larger man. i don't care how good someone is, when you are talking about that much of a weight disadvantage, it's a factor in the fight. that fight would be like a bantamweight taking on someone roughly the size of crocop.

as far as the lindland fight, i still considered fedor relevant in 2007. it was his 1st fight out of pride, he'd built up enough credibility over the years to coast for a fight or 2.

that brings us to sylvia and arlovski. while they may have been ranked in the top 5 at the time, there is no denying both of them were on their way out of that ranking at that point in their careers. in my opinion this would have been the time for him to step up and take on some of the top guys in the ufc. but he didn't, and that's why i feel around 08 is when he started to fade from relevance. i guess irrelevant is kind of a strong word. around that time i would have put him in the top 10, but not the top 5 and no way in hell #1 like many did.

in short, he was the best heavyweight in the 04/06 era. he may have been the best in the 07/08 era but he didn't step up to test himself against competition with a legit case for the #1 or #2 spot. by the time he'd fought rodgers, he'd taken almost a year off and there had been enough movement in the division that i don't see how you could even argue he was still relevant in the division.

i tend to look at rankings and relevancy as things that are very "right here and right now" if a fighter just isn't very active and when he does fight, it's against fighters that aren't at the top of the division, i don't think it's fair to rank that fighter so highly based off what he did years ago. if he came back and tore through the ufc, i'd be the 1st to say "he's the #1 in the world right now" but i'm not gonna call him a top contender because he beat monson in a decision and someone who as 4-1-1 at the time.



You said why do so many people have a boner for this guy? Well its very easy to answer that question. He is the greatest heavyweight to date right now as far as accomplishments.

And the whole Fedor not stepping up and going to the UFC is a weak sauce argument. He didn't go because of Danas attitude imo. And I don't blame him.

During his reign in Pride you didn't see UFC heavies "stepping up" to face him did you? I didn't

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i think if i had to pick best heavyweight as far as accomplishments i'd go with coleman for basically inventing ground and pound.

how can you blame dana in this whole situation? the sticking point with the ufc has always been not wanting to co promote with m1 global. and that's a smart move not to because they'd essentially be giving away half the profits of any fight that had fedor on the card, and since fedor is an owner of m1, he'd walk away with not only his purse for the fight, but he probably makes a percentage of the half of the overall take that was split by the ufc and m1. so he would be getting paid twice.

just look at some of the details from the contract m1 had with affliction

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/11/12/1143345/exclusive-details-of-fedor

so basically, he got $300,000 per fight, he could only fight in america under affliction but anywhere else in europe and asia if he felt like it, and he got to keep all that profit and any highlight reel clips that might happen in those fights, and on top of that, affliction was gonna have to give $1,200,000 to m1 for things m1 would have more than likely been doing for free anyway.

some people even claim he bankrupted strikeforce with all that.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/15/2051535/did-strikeforces-deal-with-fedor-emelianenko-force-the-ufc-sale

it's a shakedown for 1 fighter. i can totally see why dana had an attitude about it. why would dana and the fratetias (or however it's spelled) spend over a decade building up a brand name only to let another company come in and leech off the brand name? that would be like coca cola all of a sudden partnering with rc cola so they could put snapple in vending machines with a coke logo on them (rc owns snapple).

not to mention i'm sure m1 would want to use the ufc shows to promote some of their up and coming fighters. which would mean certain ufc undercard fights would be moved or dropped entirely so we could see 2 guys from russia that nobody has ever heard of duke it out.

there really weren't any big ufc heavyweights when pride was still around. that is why i give him credit for being the best heavyweight back then. by 2008, there were enough legitimate contenders for that title. but fedor didn't fight them. that is why around that time you saw the ufc really try to stack their heavyweight division. they were trying to pressure him into dropping the co promotion stuff and coming over to the ufc. but he didn't do it.

actually i think his best move now would be to go to bellator. if he goes into the ufc, it's all or nothing, he has to become champ to really prove he is still as great as he was. however if he goes to bellator and wins that title, your back to a few years ago where he has a possibility of being the best in the world. i know that situation is a must win the belt scenario as well, but i think he has a better chance of winning the bellator belt than beating all the top rank ufc heavyweights.

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Posted by Spanglepants

i think if i had to pick best heavyweight as far as accomplishments i'd go with coleman for basically inventing ground and pound.

how can you blame dana in this whole situation? the sticking point with the ufc has always been not wanting to co promote with m1 global. and that's a smart move not to because they'd essentially be giving away half the profits of any fight that had fedor on the card, and since fedor is an owner of m1, he'd walk away with not only his purse for the fight, but he probably makes a percentage of the half of the overall take that was split by the ufc and m1. so he would be getting paid twice.

just look at some of the details from the contract m1 had with affliction

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/11/12/1143345/exclusive-details-of-fedor

so basically, he got $300,000 per fight, he could only fight in america under affliction but anywhere else in europe and asia if he felt like it, and he got to keep all that profit and any highlight reel clips that might happen in those fights, and on top of that, affliction was gonna have to give $1,200,000 to m1 for things m1 would have more than likely been doing for free anyway.

some people even claim he bankrupted strikeforce with all that.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/15/2051535/did-strikeforces-deal-with-fedor-emelianenko-force-the-ufc-sale

it's a shakedown for 1 fighter. i can totally see why dana had an attitude about it. why would dana and the fratetias (or however it's spelled) spend over a decade building up a brand name only to let another company come in and leech off the brand name? that would be like coca cola all of a sudden partnering with rc cola so they could put snapple in vending machines with a coke logo on them (rc owns snapple).

not to mention i'm sure m1 would want to use the ufc shows to promote some of their up and coming fighters. which would mean certain ufc undercard fights would be moved or dropped entirely so we could see 2 guys from russia that nobody has ever heard of duke it out.

there really weren't any big ufc heavyweights when pride was still around. that is why i give him credit for being the best heavyweight back then. by 2008, there were enough legitimate contenders for that title. but fedor didn't fight them. that is why around that time you saw the ufc really try to stack their heavyweight division. they were trying to pressure him into dropping the co promotion stuff and coming over to the ufc. but he didn't do it.

actually i think his best move now would be to go to bellator. if he goes into the ufc, it's all or nothing, he has to become champ to really prove he is still as great as he was. however if he goes to bellator and wins that title, your back to a few years ago where he has a possibility of being the best in the world. i know that situation is a must win the belt scenario as well, but i think he has a better chance of winning the bellator belt than beating all the top rank ufc heavyweights.




Soooo your saying because fedor didn't sign with the UFC that he just isn't good anymore???

What he cost is irrelevant. Were talking about why so many people have boners for the guy remember?

I agree that he isn't #1 anymore but I definitely think he is borderline top 5. He is not just a pushover like you and a lot of people think he is especially since its mostly based on the fact that he didn't sign with the UFC.

People have boners for this guy because they didn't stop being a fan because he didn't sign with the UFC.

Like myself.

Even when Pride was bought out he was still widely considered #1 . If Dana wanted to prove he wasnt he should have done one of two things..

1. Negotiate better
2. Let fighters out of HIS promotion to prove he has the best fighters

But wait he wouldn't do number 2 right because I distinctly remember liddell getting his ass handed to him in Pride by Rampage.

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i'm not saying he isn't good anymore, however i am saying all the best heavyweights fight under zuffa in either the ufc or strikeforce. so not dealing with zuffa relegates him to can crushing. look at his last 2 matches, would you call monson or the judo guy top level heavyweights?

what he costs is relevant in that the cost isn't just money to him. they paid james toney something crazy $500,000 for the 3 minuets he fought. but it's not just money, james toney didn't want to co promote with someone like top rank and split half the gate profits as well. and that is really the issue here, which i'll get to in the next paragraph.

top 5? i think you are being extremely generous with that. my top 15 would be

1. dos santos
2. cain
3. mir
4. cromier
5. barnet
6. overeem

* the reason i have overeem so low is because even though he did beat lesnar, i think lesnar was just taking a payday. he got $400,000 straight win or lose. i think after cain beat him he was done mentally and just phoning that last one in

7. werdum
8. bigfoot silva
9. carwin
10. big nog
11 & 12 - hunt and schaub, toss up
13. FEDOR
14. nelson
15. kongo

so there you have it, fedor is # 13 in my opinion. and that's not me saying "he's not good anymore" it's me saying "he needs to fight better opponents". and if you look at usa today consensus rankings, out of the top 25 heavyweights 20 are in the ufc and 3 are in strikeforce leaving only fedor and cole konrad as the 2 non zuffa heavyweights. so basically yes, if fedor is going to be considered "good" from a rankings standpoint he's gonna have to fight with a zuffa organization.

back to the negotiation stuff. i don't think dana needed to negotiate better. you are pretty much saying he should have bent over backwards and let m1 jump on board for 1 fighter. why would they do that? m1 is technically a competitor, why would they spend all this time making the ufc the brand it is, then give up some of that by letting m1 in on it for 1 fighter? which is what m1 was doing. they were just trying to leach off the success of the ufc. how many non mma fans have you met that think the sport of mma is called "ufc"?

the ufc is a giant company, why would they let a much smaller competitor in, then split half the profits from 1 show with them? profits they will just reinvest in m1 to build that brand up? they would be building m1 up which would only hurt them down the road, especially with how aggressively the ufc has been expanding into other countries. let's just say hypothetically the ufc did the fedor deal.

so they give m1 half the profits on a card with fedor. how often does the ufc just have 1 fight worth watching on a card? in all likely hood the co main event and main card would be all ufc fighters. so the draw isn't just fedor, it's all those guys, as well, it just wouldn't be fair to give half the profit for that show to m1. but let's say they do, and they do it over a few years. m1 makes a ton of money and starts promoting fights in europe. they put fedor on those cards but don't split the profits with the ufc because they don't have too (they didn't have to in their deal with affliction) . so that all goes down and fedor's contract is up for renegotiation. only now he doesn't have to fight in the ufc because m1 can afford more talent and promote other shows in territory the ufc is trying to break into the market of. why would they put themselves in a position to go head to head with a promotion they helped thrive with this co promotion deal? the terms of these deals just don't make sense for the ufc. the ufc is too big, they have the negotiating power of a company like walmart in the mma industry. viacom and bellator can change all that, but at this point in time the ufc dictates the terms of a deal, not the smaller company with 1 fighter they want.

as for chuck going to pride, that happened in 2003, only 2 years after the zuffa purchase of the ufc. at that time the ufc didn't have the negotiating power they do now. mma was still a fringe sport, the ufc was losing a ton of money, and at that time pride was bigger than the ufc was. it was in the ufc's interest to co promote back then. they were still building up and the sport as a whole was still building up. they didn't have major advertisers or tv deals or all the money they have now, all the money was coming from station casinos. but that has all changed, now they are a self sustaining company, and a profitable one at that. they are in a position where other organizations need to co promote with them, but they don't need to co promote with anyone else. so why would they? they didn't get to where they are by being nice to the competition.

but most fedor fans ignore all that, they just wanted to see fedor knock out brock lesnar, even if it would have been an incredibly bad move on the ufc's part.

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Posted by Spanglepants

i'm not saying he isn't good anymore, however i am saying all the best heavyweights fight under zuffa in either the ufc or strikeforce. so not dealing with zuffa relegates him to can crushing. look at his last 2 matches, would you call monson or the judo guy top level heavyweights?

what he costs is relevant in that the cost isn't just money to him. they paid james toney something crazy $500,000 for the 3 minuets he fought. but it's not just money, james toney didn't want to co promote with someone like top rank and split half the gate profits as well. and that is really the issue here, which i'll get to in the next paragraph.

top 5? i think you are being extremely generous with that. my top 15 would be

1. dos santos
2. cain
3. mir
4. cromier
5. barnet
6. overeem

* the reason i have overeem so low is because even though he did beat lesnar, i think lesnar was just taking a payday. he got $400,000 straight win or lose. i think after cain beat him he was done mentally and just phoning that last one in

7. werdum
8. bigfoot silva
9. carwin
10. big nog
11 & 12 - hunt and schaub, toss up
13. FEDOR
14. nelson
15. kongo

so there you have it, fedor is # 13 in my opinion. and that's not me saying "he's not good anymore" it's me saying "he needs to fight better opponents". and if you look at usa today consensus rankings, out of the top 25 heavyweights 20 are in the ufc and 3 are in strikeforce leaving only fedor and cole konrad as the 2 non zuffa heavyweights. so basically yes, if fedor is going to be considered "good" from a rankings standpoint he's gonna have to fight with a zuffa organization.

back to the negotiation stuff. i don't think dana needed to negotiate better. you are pretty much saying he should have bent over backwards and let m1 jump on board for 1 fighter. why would they do that? m1 is technically a competitor, why would they spend all this time making the ufc the brand it is, then give up some of that by letting m1 in on it for 1 fighter? which is what m1 was doing. they were just trying to leach off the success of the ufc. how many non mma fans have you met that think the sport of mma is called "ufc"?

the ufc is a giant company, why would they let a much smaller competitor in, then split half the profits from 1 show with them? profits they will just reinvest in m1 to build that brand up? they would be building m1 up which would only hurt them down the road, especially with how aggressively the ufc has been expanding into other countries. let's just say hypothetically the ufc did the fedor deal.

so they give m1 half the profits on a card with fedor. how often does the ufc just have 1 fight worth watching on a card? in all likely hood the co main event and main card would be all ufc fighters. so the draw isn't just fedor, it's all those guys, as well, it just wouldn't be fair to give half the profit for that show to m1. but let's say they do, and they do it over a few years. m1 makes a ton of money and starts promoting fights in europe. they put fedor on those cards but don't split the profits with the ufc because they don't have too (they didn't have to in their deal with affliction) . so that all goes down and fedor's contract is up for renegotiation. only now he doesn't have to fight in the ufc because m1 can afford more talent and promote other shows in territory the ufc is trying to break into the market of. why would they put themselves in a position to go head to head with a promotion they helped thrive with this co promotion deal? the terms of these deals just don't make sense for the ufc. the ufc is too big, they have the negotiating power of a company like walmart in the mma industry. viacom and bellator can change all that, but at this point in time the ufc dictates the terms of a deal, not the smaller company with 1 fighter they want.

as for chuck going to pride, that happened in 2003, only 2 years after the zuffa purchase of the ufc. at that time the ufc didn't have the negotiating power they do now. mma was still a fringe sport, the ufc was losing a ton of money, and at that time pride was bigger than the ufc was. it was in the ufc's interest to co promote back then. they were still building up and the sport as a whole was still building up. they didn't have major advertisers or tv deals or all the money they have now, all the money was coming from station casinos. but that has all changed, now they are a self sustaining company, and a profitable one at that. they are in a position where other organizations need to co promote with them, but they don't need to co promote with anyone else. so why would they? they didn't get to where they are by being nice to the competition.

but most fedor fans ignore all that, they just wanted to see fedor knock out brock lesnar, even if it would have been an incredibly bad move on the ufc's part.



I'm not going to argue rankings with you because they are just that. Rankings. Barnett and Carwin ahead of fedor??? Who have they fought as of late and actually won. ONE big name doesn't catapult you to the top.


As far as m1 goes your right . I don't agree with the copromotion thing. However to say Dana negotiated just fine is a little over the top . Let's say you were from Russia and had tremendous pride in your country and somebody who you are trying to negotiate with for a new job calls you and your colleagues "crazy russians". Seriously ? Id be like Fuck that dude.

Who does Dana think he is making comments like that. Did m1 bad mouth Dana or the UFC . No just said they were difficult to negotiate with.

Dana can get away with things like that because he has the American audience behind him. Most UFC fans today don't even know who fedor is and Dana likes it that way. He successfully accomplished making fedor out to be some greedy fighter who wasn't ever worth it.

And like I said Dana learned a lesson after liddell got crushed and that was not to copromote. Why? Well for the simple fact it hurt business. His fighters can't lose outside of his organization while signed he can't risk again one getting beat and looking bad.


So how do you deal with that problem in above paragraph? You just buy out all the other organizations with relative big names to satisfy the fans wanting of cross promotional fights

My point is simple really.

During fedors reign at #1 did you see heavyweights seeking him out to pride? You have yet to answer that.

Also the vast majority of fans did not want to see fedor vs brock. It was fedor vs. Randy.

Also again I must point out that our debate isn't about why he didn't sign with the UFC or M1 .its about why he has so many fans still to this
day.

Edit.

I just reread your post and noticed hunt and shaub ranked above fedor. In what universe did you pull those rankings from


Barnett has fought no big names since LOSING to Crocop. Sergei is somewhat popular but he isn't even in your rankings. I'm guessing he ranked so high just because he said he is the best grappler

Carwin beat one guy whose name is big and that's mir.
Not enough to have him ranked so high.


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i have addressed why nobody wanted to fight fedor in pride. i've said before there were no big names in the ufc at the time. i am not denying fedor was the best between 2004 and 2006 and the ufc's heavyweight division wasn't deep. my issue isn't with people saying he was the best in 04/06. i admit he was. my issue is with people saying he was the best in 09.

i can understand why m1 would have been mad at being called "crazy russians" but i also understand why dana said it. if their offer was anything like it was when they were with affliction, there is a notion of truth within dana's statement. the negotiation seemed to be "we'll give you fedor if you give us half your company". by that point it was just easier to stack the ufc heavyweight division and keep fedor's name out of the press, which you gotta admit was pretty well played on dana's part.

here is why my ranking is how it is.
1 2 and 3 i don't feel need an explanation

cromier and barnett are up there for how they did in the grand prix

i explained my position on overeem.

werdum and bigfoot again for how they did in the grand prix

carwin beat gonzoga and mir in in the 1st round, put that beat down on the 1st round against lesnar and then went the distance with dos santos.

schaub has had 5 fights in the last 2 years and only 1 loss, a loss where he went out fighting.

hunt is up there for beating kongo who beat meathead and barry while only losing to mir and dos santos.

now let's look at fedor's last 3 years. he fought twice in 09, and 1 was against rodgers. i'll even give you the "arlovski was a top 5 back then" argument. so had 1 win in the top 5 in 1/09 he for the most part took 09 off and had a win against someone who wasn't really all that big of a name, so he takes another 7 months off and loses to werdum. i'm not even knocking how he lost, submissions happen, particularly against someone like werdum who's a 4th degree blackbelt. then he lost to bigfoot, and that was a beat down. his best position in that fight was an attempt at a leglock. then he had another fight against henderson and lost that in another 1st round beatdown. then he fought monson in a lackluster decision and a guy transitioning from judo to mma with a 4 -1-1 record. neither of those things are really gonna propel you up the rankings.

so why is barnett so high in my opinion? i'm not gonna deny he has only had 1 legit fight against a top heavyweight, but he has looked spectacular doing it, and he didn't string together 3 losses the way fedor did.

when i look at rankings, i only look at the last 2 to 3 years, anything before that is ancient history. i'm not going to let fedor's pride run from 02 to 06 have any influence on where he is right now, especially when he's lost 3 straight and comeback only to fight in matches he had no chance of losing. i hate when people will say things like "he had that war with noguera and then with crocop". yes he did, and around that time he was #1, but that was 7 years ago now. right now i just don't see how you could even consider him top 10 based on his last 6 fights. not when you have guys like cain, mir and dos santos at the top and guys like schaub, barry, and meathead out there making a name for themselves and climbing their way up in the rankings.



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Posted by Spanglepants

i have addressed why nobody wanted to fight fedor in pride. i've said before there were no big names in the ufc at the time. i am not denying fedor was the best between 2004 and 2006 and the ufc's heavyweight division wasn't deep. my issue isn't with people saying he was the best in 04/06. i admit he was. my issue is with people saying he was the best in 09.

i can understand why m1 would have been mad at being called "crazy russians" but i also understand why dana said it. if their offer was anything like it was when they were with affliction, there is a notion of truth within dana's statement. the negotiation seemed to be "we'll give you fedor if you give us half your company". by that point it was just easier to stack the ufc heavyweight division and keep fedor's name out of the press, which you gotta admit was pretty well played on dana's part.

here is why my ranking is how it is.
1 2 and 3 i don't feel need an explanation

cromier and barnett are up there for how they did in the grand prix

i explained my position on overeem.

werdum and bigfoot again for how they did in the grand prix

carwin beat gonzoga and mir in in the 1st round, put that beat down on the 1st round against lesnar and then went the distance with dos santos.

schaub has had 5 fights in the last 2 years and only 1 loss, a loss where he went out fighting.

hunt is up there for beating kongo who beat meathead and barry while only losing to mir and dos santos.

now let's look at fedor's last 3 years. he fought twice in 09, and 1 was against rodgers. i'll even give you the "arlovski was a top 5 back then" argument. so had 1 win in the top 5 in 1/09 he for the most part took 09 off and had a win against someone who wasn't really all that big of a name, so he takes another 7 months off and loses to werdum. i'm not even knocking how he lost, submissions happen, particularly against someone like werdum who's a 4th degree blackbelt. then he lost to bigfoot, and that was a beat down. his best position in that fight was an attempt at a leglock. then he had another fight against henderson and lost that in another 1st round beatdown. then he fought monson in a lackluster decision and a guy transitioning from judo to mma with a 4 -1-1 record. neither of those things are really gonna propel you up the rankings.

so why is barnett so high in my opinion? i'm not gonna deny he has only had 1 legit fight against a top heavyweight, but he has looked spectacular doing it, and he didn't string together 3 losses the way fedor did.

when i look at rankings, i only look at the last 2 to 3 years, anything before that is ancient history. i'm not going to let fedor's pride run from 02 to 06 have any influence on where he is right now, especially when he's lost 3 straight and comeback only to fight in matches he had no chance of losing. i hate when people will say things like "he had that war with noguera and then with crocop". yes he did, and around that time he was #1, but that was 7 years ago now. right now i just don't see how you could even consider him top 10 based on his last 6 fights. not when you have guys like cain, mir and dos santos at the top and guys like schaub, barry, and meathead out there making a name for themselves and climbing their way up in the rankings.






Seems like your rankings are based on MMAath.

However ill agree m1 is just as much to blame for negotiations as Dana.

With that being said Barnett hasn't fought anyone. The same cans everyone says fedor is fighting are of the same quality Barnett is fighting the only difference is they have a big name promotion behind them.

Fedor has already beat hunt. Ask anyone and they will tell you the result would be the same.

Look all im saying is he lost a few. Big deal. Everyone loses. To say he is irrelevant just because of that is stupid

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i stand by my rankings.

barnett has been can crushing, but look at barnett vs rodgers and fedor vs rodgers. barnett clearly did better. then you throw in his dominant victory against karnatov (who i agree is not a top quality opponent) and i think it puts him up there at. he is about where i'd put fedor if fedor didn't drop 3 straight in a pretty lopsided match.

right now i just think fedor has work to do if he wants to get back to the top 10.

and he beat mark hunt in 2007, that's way too long ago to give fedor credit for. if your going by who beat who back in the day, you cold argue ebersol should be fighting gsp or condit because he beat hallman who beat hughes in 1999 and 2001, hughes beat serra, serra beat gsp.

however hunt did beat kongo, and kongo is one of those guys who has always been so close to being a serious contender. i'm not really considering him beating terscher and rothwell (especially rothwell, that fight brought the whole night to a halt). but beating kongo goes a long way. especially when you consider kongo's only other 2 losses were to mir and cain who were top contenders and that one draw he would have won if he hadn't broke so many rules.

the way i see his fight against struve, that'll put one of them in the top 10.

Post #27   4/8/12 1:53:54PM   
 
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