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Nick Diaz vs. Demian Maia anyone? That's a fight at WW I'd love to see



Diaz would bust Maia's face up, there would be no grappling battle at all (sadly)



I don't know about that.
You don't think Maia could/would get Nick to the mat?

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Maia's strategy has been work on his striking game heavily without modifying his tactics to avoid the takedown, and if someone chooses to take him down... perfect.

At WW, that's going to be way more effective against the top tier than it is at MW. Way more wrestlers with holes in their stand-up games. Koscheck for instance, would be the perfect example of a fight that Maia's strategy will work wonders whereever the fight goes.



Koscheck would knock Maia out



I dont know, if matt hughes can jab you to death with faded reflexes, i'll take the guy that outstruck Mark Munoz to outstrike you.



I'd pick Koscheck Death round 1

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Koscheck would knock Maia out



I dont know, if matt hughes can jab you to death with faded reflexes, i'll take the guy that outstruck Mark Munoz to outstrike you.



that was Koscheck's first fight since breaking his orbital bone so some hesitation is warranted...and then he proceeded to KTFO Hughes in that opening round so imo that holds no water

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Nick Diaz vs. Demian Maia anyone? That's a fight at WW I'd love to see



Diaz would bust Maia's face up, there would be no grappling battle at all (sadly)



I don't know about that.
You don't think Maia could/would get Nick to the mat?



Well its possible, but i dont think it's likely. Diaz would put the pressure on him all fight, forcing him to back up. Maia doesn't set up his shots very well so Diaz would stuff most, if not all, of them. I don't remember the last time he took someone down from the clinch...was it Sonnen 3 years ago?

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If Maia thinks the road to a championship is easier at 170, he is wrong. You have guys like Fitch and GSP who are phenomenal wrestlers. Then you have guys like Condit who can easily outpoint him from the outside.

I'm not saying this is a bad move but I'm definitely saying it won't be any easier than the middle weight division.

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Posted by KungFuMaster

If Maia thinks the road to a championship is easier at 170, he is wrong. You have guys like Fitch and GSP who are phenomenal wrestlers. Then you have guys like Condit who can easily outpoint him from the outside.

I'm not saying this is a bad move but I'm definitely saying it won't be any easier than the middle weight division.



Just to play devil's advocate:

Maia already knows that first hand about how tough it is to beat the top guy at MW. The road up might be tougher at WW, but whoever the guy at the top of the WW division happens to be at any given moment is probably more beatable than Anderson has appeared to be and in the end it's all about getting that strap and proving you are the best.

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It all depends.

I think if Maia can get back to his roots as a grappler first (specialist), he's going to tear up the division.

If he continues trying to be a jack of all trades (average everywhere) then he's going to continue to be average.

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If Maia thinks the road to a championship is easier at 170, he is wrong. You have guys like Fitch and GSP who are phenomenal wrestlers. Then you have guys like Condit who can easily outpoint him from the outside.

I'm not saying this is a bad move but I'm definitely saying it won't be any easier than the middle weight division.



Just to play devil's advocate:

Maia already knows that first hand about how tough it is to beat the top guy at MW. The road up might be tougher at WW, but whoever the guy at the top of the WW division happens to be at any given moment is probably more beatable than Anderson has appeared to be and in the end it's all about getting that strap and proving you are the best.



I'm not playing devil's advocate; this is for realz now. You just started a war and you better be ready to back it up.

Anyway, I disagree. I think Anderson Silva is far more beatable than GSP. Eversince the Matt Serra fight, GSP has reinvented himself and looks to be unstoppable while Anderson Silva shows signs of weaknesses in his fights with Lutter, Henderson, and Sonnen.

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If Maia thinks the road to a championship is easier at 170, he is wrong. You have guys like Fitch and GSP who are phenomenal wrestlers. Then you have guys like Condit who can easily outpoint him from the outside.

I'm not saying this is a bad move but I'm definitely saying it won't be any easier than the middle weight division.



Just to play devil's advocate:

Maia already knows that first hand about how tough it is to beat the top guy at MW. The road up might be tougher at WW, but whoever the guy at the top of the WW division happens to be at any given moment is probably more beatable than Anderson has appeared to be and in the end it's all about getting that strap and proving you are the best.



I'm not playing devil's advocate; this is for realz now. You just started a war and you better be ready to back it up.

Anyway, I disagree. I think Anderson Silva is far more beatable than GSP. Eversince the Matt Serra fight, GSP has reinvented himself and looks to be unstoppable while Anderson Silva shows signs of weaknesses in his fights with Lutter, Henderson, and Sonnen.



Anderson showed signs of weakness, GSP got KTFO. Big difference between looking beatable and staring up at the lights. I've seen GSP lose in the UFC, I haven't seen Anderson do the same.
GSP is coming off a torn ACL. People are rarely the same after that surgery, and as someone that's had ACL's done on both knees multiple times I can vouch for that firsthand.

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If Maia thinks the road to a championship is easier at 170, he is wrong. You have guys like Fitch and GSP who are phenomenal wrestlers. Then you have guys like Condit who can easily outpoint him from the outside.

I'm not saying this is a bad move but I'm definitely saying it won't be any easier than the middle weight division.



Just to play devil's advocate:

Maia already knows that first hand about how tough it is to beat the top guy at MW. The road up might be tougher at WW, but whoever the guy at the top of the WW division happens to be at any given moment is probably more beatable than Anderson has appeared to be and in the end it's all about getting that strap and proving you are the best.



I'm not playing devil's advocate; this is for realz now. You just started a war and you better be ready to back it up.

Anyway, I disagree. I think Anderson Silva is far more beatable than GSP. Eversince the Matt Serra fight, GSP has reinvented himself and looks to be unstoppable while Anderson Silva shows signs of weaknesses in his fights with Lutter, Henderson, and Sonnen.



I would wager that for Demian Maia, in particular, Gsp is a far more beatable opponent than Anderson. Maia can't pull off a Greco-roman-esque gameplan like Hendo and Sonnen. Nor can he rely on Anderson having 2 knee surgeries prior to a rematch(Lutter). Whereas with Gsp he doesnt have to strike with a destroyer of worlds on the feet if he doesnt manage a takedown, and Gsp get's hurt far more often mid-fight(Alves, Shields, Penn) than Anderson. So as far as variables outside of the style matchup, Gsp is an easier match-up as well.

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I forfeit this argument but if you ask me who is the more beatable fighter when they were at their best, I say Anderson Silva without a doubt.

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