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Posted by Bubbles
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Totally agree.
I was going to agree with Bubles but then he had to go and add that bit about the striking.
Maia needs to worry LESS about striking and wrestling right now.
BJJ got him to the big time and made him the title contender.
If he wants to continue that success he needs to go back to BJJ. I would even recommend taking some time off to do straight jiu jitsu competitions.
If he doesn't attempt to improve on his striking, then how is he going to beat the glut of wrestlers in that division? He won't be able to take them down, and most of them are really good top position grapplers. He needs to focus 80% of his training back to BJJ - that is his bread and butter - but if he cant take his opponent down, how in the hell is he going to win? Any smart wrestler at WW will play sprawl and brawl against Maia
Also, I think it is in the UFC contract that fighters cannot compete in outside tournaments. I believe this was one of the reasons why Fedor went to SF over the UFC as he still wanted to compete in Sambo tournaments. Werdum and Gonzaga didn't compete in any BJJ tournaments while under contract either
I was under the impression that the issue with Fedor was that he wanted to compete in Sambo.
Sambo is actually very similar to MMA. BJJ is vastly different.
You might be right though. I don't know enough about their contracts to say.
It would be ridiculous if true however. You don't get paid for jiu jitsu (amlost all of the time), its almost never televised, and it's not a big spectator sport. The two aren't really in competition.
I don't know why the UFC wouldn't want their fighters to stay sharp.
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Post #16 3/14/12 8:00:32PM
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Posted by pmoney
Nick Diaz vs. Demian Maia anyone? That's a fight at WW I'd love to see 
Diaz would bust Maia's face up, there would be no grappling battle at all (sadly)
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Post #17 3/14/12 8:50:48PM
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I was under the impression that the issue with Fedor was that he wanted to compete in Sambo.
Sambo is actually very similar to MMA. BJJ is vastly different.
You might be right though. I don't know enough about their contracts to say.
It would be ridiculous if true however. You don't get paid for jiu jitsu (amlost all of the time), its almost never televised, and it's not a big spectator sport. The two aren't really in competition.
I don't know why the UFC wouldn't want their fighters to stay sharp.
I'm almost positive that was one of the many issues with why Dana and Fedor never could agree to terms. I have heard in the past that out of UFC competition is prohibited when you sign a UFC contract and I doubt it has changed.
I dont think it has to do with credentials or pay but rather they could suffer injuries which would prevent them from fighting. I don't know how many major injuries occur in grappling tournaments, but I assume its a risk they dont want to take. Also, it wouldn't be fair for strikers who want to compete in kickboxing tournaments for example. Why should Maia be allowed to compete in the ADCC while Pat Barry can't compete in K-1? It isn't fair, so to prevent legal issues about fairness and whatnot, just say no to all non-UFC competition.
The only case I have heard where a fighter was able to compete elsewhere is that one fighter who missed like a year due to injury got written permission to fight in a smaller promotion to get back into fight shape. IIRC he then had some brain issue and was cut from the UFC...I can't remember his name but it was semi recent
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Post #18 3/14/12 8:59:24PM
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Posted by Bubbles
Posted by bjj1605
Totally agree.
I was going to agree with Bubles but then he had to go and add that bit about the striking.
Maia needs to worry LESS about striking and wrestling right now.
BJJ got him to the big time and made him the title contender.
If he wants to continue that success he needs to go back to BJJ. I would even recommend taking some time off to do straight jiu jitsu competitions.
If he doesn't attempt to improve on his striking, then how is he going to beat the glut of wrestlers in that division? He won't be able to take them down, and most of them are really good top position grapplers. He needs to focus 80% of his training back to BJJ - that is his bread and butter - but if he cant take his opponent down, how in the hell is he going to win? Any smart wrestler at WW will play sprawl and brawl against Maia
Also, I think it is in the UFC contract that fighters cannot compete in outside tournaments. I believe this was one of the reasons why Fedor went to SF over the UFC as he still wanted to compete in Sambo tournaments. Werdum and Gonzaga didn't compete in any BJJ tournaments while under contract either
I think UFC fighters can compete in BJJ and ADCC. I think it was specifically the Sambo tourney?
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Post #19 3/14/12 9:26:48PM
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Posted by Bubbles
Posted by bjj1605
I was under the impression that the issue with Fedor was that he wanted to compete in Sambo.
Sambo is actually very similar to MMA. BJJ is vastly different.
You might be right though. I don't know enough about their contracts to say.
It would be ridiculous if true however. You don't get paid for jiu jitsu (amlost all of the time), its almost never televised, and it's not a big spectator sport. The two aren't really in competition.
I don't know why the UFC wouldn't want their fighters to stay sharp.
I'm almost positive that was one of the many issues with why Dana and Fedor never could agree to terms. I have heard in the past that out of UFC competition is prohibited when you sign a UFC contract and I doubt it has changed.
I dont think it has to do with credentials or pay but rather they could suffer injuries which would prevent them from fighting. I don't know how many major injuries occur in grappling tournaments, but I assume its a risk they dont want to take. Also, it wouldn't be fair for strikers who want to compete in kickboxing tournaments for example. Why should Maia be allowed to compete in the ADCC while Pat Barry can't compete in K-1? It isn't fair, so to prevent legal issues about fairness and whatnot, just say no to all non-UFC competition.
The only case I have heard where a fighter was able to compete elsewhere is that one fighter who missed like a year due to injury got written permission to fight in a smaller promotion to get back into fight shape. IIRC he then had some brain issue and was cut from the UFC...I can't remember his name but it was semi recent
Didn't Rousimar Palhares just compete in a BJJ competition or ADCC sometime last year? I seem to recall reading something about Palhares performing some form of shenanigans in a competition last year and causing some form of controversy. I also seem to recall reading about him wreaking havoc on peoples legs in the aforementioned competition. I could be wrong though, so I wouldn't really quote me on that.
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Post #20 3/15/12 5:40:46AM
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Posted by Bubbles
Posted by bjj1605
I was under the impression that the issue with Fedor was that he wanted to compete in Sambo.
Sambo is actually very similar to MMA. BJJ is vastly different.
You might be right though. I don't know enough about their contracts to say.
It would be ridiculous if true however. You don't get paid for jiu jitsu (amlost all of the time), its almost never televised, and it's not a big spectator sport. The two aren't really in competition.
I don't know why the UFC wouldn't want their fighters to stay sharp.
I'm almost positive that was one of the many issues with why Dana and Fedor never could agree to terms. I have heard in the past that out of UFC competition is prohibited when you sign a UFC contract and I doubt it has changed.
I dont think it has to do with credentials or pay but rather they could suffer injuries which would prevent them from fighting. I don't know how many major injuries occur in grappling tournaments, but I assume its a risk they dont want to take. Also, it wouldn't be fair for strikers who want to compete in kickboxing tournaments for example. Why should Maia be allowed to compete in the ADCC while Pat Barry can't compete in K-1? It isn't fair, so to prevent legal issues about fairness and whatnot, just say no to all non-UFC competition.
The only case I have heard where a fighter was able to compete elsewhere is that one fighter who missed like a year due to injury got written permission to fight in a smaller promotion to get back into fight shape. IIRC he then had some brain issue and was cut from the UFC...I can't remember his name but it was semi recent
Didn't Rousimar Palhares just compete in a BJJ competition or ADCC sometime last year? I seem to recall reading something about Palhares performing some form of shenanigans in a competition last year and causing some form of controversy. I also seem to recall reading about him wreaking havoc on peoples legs in the aforementioned competition. I could be wrong though, so I wouldn't really quote me on that.
This is correct. Also, Benderson was just in a BJJ tourney and I think made it to finals for brown belt or maybe brown belt absolute. I really don't think they are prevented from these tournys, and in some cases they are fan expos (see Diego Sanchez vs the 50/50 guy in no gi).
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Post #21 3/15/12 9:39:07AM
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Posted by warglory
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Posted by bjj1605
Totally agree.
I was going to agree with Bubles but then he had to go and add that bit about the striking.
Maia needs to worry LESS about striking and wrestling right now.
BJJ got him to the big time and made him the title contender.
If he wants to continue that success he needs to go back to BJJ. I would even recommend taking some time off to do straight jiu jitsu competitions.
If he doesn't attempt to improve on his striking, then how is he going to beat the glut of wrestlers in that division? He won't be able to take them down, and most of them are really good top position grapplers. He needs to focus 80% of his training back to BJJ - that is his bread and butter - but if he cant take his opponent down, how in the hell is he going to win? Any smart wrestler at WW will play sprawl and brawl against Maia
Also, I think it is in the UFC contract that fighters cannot compete in outside tournaments. I believe this was one of the reasons why Fedor went to SF over the UFC as he still wanted to compete in Sambo tournaments. Werdum and Gonzaga didn't compete in any BJJ tournaments while under contract either
I think UFC fighters can compete in BJJ and ADCC. I think it was specifically the Sambo tourney?
Yes. Combat Sambo includes striking. That would be a bit different than a grappling tourny.
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Post #22 3/15/12 12:06:36PM
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Posted by Bubbles
Posted by bjj1605
Totally agree.
I was going to agree with Bubles but then he had to go and add that bit about the striking.
Maia needs to worry LESS about striking and wrestling right now.
BJJ got him to the big time and made him the title contender.
If he wants to continue that success he needs to go back to BJJ. I would even recommend taking some time off to do straight jiu jitsu competitions.
If he doesn't attempt to improve on his striking, then how is he going to beat the glut of wrestlers in that division? He won't be able to take them down, and most of them are really good top position grapplers. He needs to focus 80% of his training back to BJJ - that is his bread and butter - but if he cant take his opponent down, how in the hell is he going to win? Any smart wrestler at WW will play sprawl and brawl against Maia
Also, I think it is in the UFC contract that fighters cannot compete in outside tournaments. I believe this was one of the reasons why Fedor went to SF over the UFC as he still wanted to compete in Sambo tournaments. Werdum and Gonzaga didn't compete in any BJJ tournaments while under contract either
I think UFC fighters can compete in BJJ and ADCC. I think it was specifically the Sambo tourney?
Yes. Combat Sambo includes striking. That would be a bit different than a grappling tourny.
Give it time. All it takes is one of the top guys getting injured. Eventually, contracts will prohibit BJJ tourneys as well.
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Post #23 3/15/12 12:12:44PM
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If that's the case then I stand corrected
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Post #24 3/15/12 2:05:22PM
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Posted by emfleek
Give it time. All it takes is one of the top guys getting injured. Eventually, contracts will prohibit BJJ tourneys as well.
Or wait for one of these BJJ tournaments to get a broadcast TV deal or PPV numbers that rival the UFC's.
That would also put an end to UFC fighters taking part.
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Post #25 3/15/12 2:36:19PM
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Posted by Svartorm
I think this is a huge mistake honestly. He already cuts to make MW and his cardio issue isn't going to be sorted out like this. His issue is that he's so in love with his standup at this point that he doesn't bother with a ground game.
Props cause i havent seen a post from you in forever
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Post #26 3/16/12 2:57:19AM
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horrible idea, just use your damn jiu jitsu more
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Post #27 3/17/12 3:08:57AM
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Maia's strategy has been work on his striking game heavily without modifying his tactics to avoid the takedown, and if someone chooses to take him down... perfect.
At WW, that's going to be way more effective against the top tier than it is at MW. Way more wrestlers with holes in their stand-up games. Koscheck for instance, would be the perfect example of a fight that Maia's strategy will work wonders whereever the fight goes.
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Post #28 3/17/12 3:20:44PM
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Posted by Pookie
Maia's strategy has been work on his striking game heavily without modifying his tactics to avoid the takedown, and if someone chooses to take him down... perfect.
At WW, that's going to be way more effective against the top tier than it is at MW. Way more wrestlers with holes in their stand-up games. Koscheck for instance, would be the perfect example of a fight that Maia's strategy will work wonders whereever the fight goes.
Koscheck would knock Maia out
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Post #29 3/17/12 5:05:04PM
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Posted by Bubbles
Posted by Pookie
Maia's strategy has been work on his striking game heavily without modifying his tactics to avoid the takedown, and if someone chooses to take him down... perfect.
At WW, that's going to be way more effective against the top tier than it is at MW. Way more wrestlers with holes in their stand-up games. Koscheck for instance, would be the perfect example of a fight that Maia's strategy will work wonders whereever the fight goes.
Koscheck would knock Maia out
I dont know, if matt hughes can jab you to death with faded reflexes, i'll take the guy that outstruck Mark Munoz to outstrike you.
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