UFC fighter Jacob Volkmann's latest suspension lifted, though rules now stricter |
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FastKnockout
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UFC lightweight Jacob Volkmann said he followed the rules – to the letter – when he said President Barack Obama needed a "glassectomy," even after being placed on paid administrative leave a second time by the high school that employs him as a part-time wrestling coach.
Now, the rules are a little bit stricter.
Volkmann was taken off administrative leave from White Bear Lake High School today after a meeting with school administrators.
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Post #1 2/1/12 4:06:51PM
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The Anti-pansy
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I like following this story. It's interesting to me because it seems like a free-speech issue, but it's really an employment issue. It's like the news items where people go on Facebook and blast their boss, their company, or co-workers. Often that ends badly too.
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Post #2 2/1/12 4:49:23PM
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Posted by scoozna
It's like the news items where people go on Facebook and blast their boss, their company, or co-workers. Often that ends badly too.
Horrible decision in this day and age.
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Post #3 2/1/12 5:04:41PM
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The Anti-pansy
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It's a really interesting problem though. How "free" is your speech when you cannot say what you like on FB/Twitter, on your own free time, on your own computer. I see the conflict and why an employer would want to terminate, but I wrestle with whether there is much of a real difference between that and someone saying the same things at a party or some other social gathering.
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Post #4 2/1/12 5:32:24PM
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Posted by scoozna
It's a really interesting problem though. How "free" is your speech when you cannot say what you like on FB/Twitter, on your own free time, on your own computer. I see the conflict and why an employer would want to terminate, but I wrestle with whether there is much of a real difference between that and someone saying the same things at a party or some other social gathering.
It's ridiculous really. Why should my social network be the top priority of my potential employer? I've recently had to go through my Facebook and delete hundreds of pictures depicting me in illegal situations. We were all kids once, why the hell should that be reason to not hire someone? The internet is supposed to be the ultimate form of free speech but it's turning into something people can use against you.
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Post #5 2/1/12 5:42:27PM
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he thinks it will be a fun fight with Dunham until he gets his face smashed in.
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Post #6 2/1/12 6:49:13PM
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Travesty145
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its simple, once u sign a ufc contract u r also signing away ur opinion as well
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Post #7 2/1/12 7:13:05PM
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Posted by Budgellism
Posted by scoozna
It's a really interesting problem though. How "free" is your speech when you cannot say what you like on FB/Twitter, on your own free time, on your own computer. I see the conflict and why an employer would want to terminate, but I wrestle with whether there is much of a real difference between that and someone saying the same things at a party or some other social gathering.
It's ridiculous really. Why should my social network be the top priority of my potential employer? I've recently had to go through my Facebook and delete hundreds of pictures depicting me in illegal situations. We were all kids once, why the hell should that be reason to not hire someone? The internet is supposed to be the ultimate form of free speech but it's turning into something people can use against you.
Well when you are a teacher, the rules are different for etiquette in particular.
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Post #8 2/1/12 8:16:02PM
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Posted by warglory
Posted by Budgellism
Posted by scoozna
It's a really interesting problem though. How "free" is your speech when you cannot say what you like on FB/Twitter, on your own free time, on your own computer. I see the conflict and why an employer would want to terminate, but I wrestle with whether there is much of a real difference between that and someone saying the same things at a party or some other social gathering.
It's ridiculous really. Why should my social network be the top priority of my potential employer? I've recently had to go through my Facebook and delete hundreds of pictures depicting me in illegal situations. We were all kids once, why the hell should that be reason to not hire someone? The internet is supposed to be the ultimate form of free speech but it's turning into something people can use against you.
Well when you are a teacher, the rules are different for etiquette in particular.
That's one profession. I'm going to be in the design field and this is apparently the number 1 thing they are checking when they are hiring.
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"I smoke herbs bro. Mind control bullshit doesn't work on people who smoke herbs."
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Post #9 2/1/12 11:45:27PM
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Posted by scoozna
It's a really interesting problem though. How "free" is your speech when you cannot say what you like on FB/Twitter, on your own free time, on your own computer. I see the conflict and why an employer would want to terminate, but I wrestle with whether there is much of a real difference between that and someone saying the same things at a party or some other social gathering.
It's ridiculous really. Why should my social network be the top priority of my potential employer? I've recently had to go through my Facebook and delete hundreds of pictures depicting me in illegal situations. We were all kids once, why the hell should that be reason to not hire someone? The internet is supposed to be the ultimate form of free speech but it's turning into something people can use against you.
Well when you are a teacher, the rules are different for etiquette in particular.
That's one profession. I'm going to be in the design field and this is apparently the number 1 thing they are checking when they are hiring.
The issue here isn't free speech. It's the life and soul of comedy. Nobody who makes a joke that stupid should be free from some form of retaliation. Just like Carlos Mencia, he told/stole crappy jokes and then he got served in front of his own audience by Rogan. Now maybe if Volkmann tried some knock knock jokes first...
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Post #10 2/2/12 9:32:16AM
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We're in Lodi, bitch!
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Freedom of speech doesn't necessarily mean freedom from consequences.
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Post #11 2/2/12 9:36:54AM
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We're in Lodi, bitch!
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Just like Carlos Mencia, he told/stole crappy jokes and then he got served in front of his own audience by Rogan.
I've only recently become aware of this...is it on video anywhere?
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Post #12 2/2/12 9:38:02AM
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Just like Carlos Mencia, he told/stole crappy jokes and then he got served in front of his own audience by Rogan.
I've only recently become aware of this...is it on video anywhere?
Here you are, sir!
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Post #13 2/2/12 9:43:07AM
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We're in Lodi, bitch!
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Here you are, sir!
Awesome. I'll check it out when I get home. Thanks, Tim!
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Post #14 2/2/12 9:48:33AM
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Posted by emfleek
Freedom of speech doesn't necessarily mean freedom from consequences.
Absolutely true - as we're seeing it played out with Volkman. He's being pretty crafty. He's agreeing to their terms, signing on to whatever they want him to commit. But he's also saying he's still going to send the message he wants to send. Essentially, if I've read him right, he's going to keep on saying stuff, he's just going to say it differently.
So he's engaging in this game of how far can I go, how far can I push it. He has a pulpit and, like it or not, he wants to use it. I also wonder if the school that employs him would have taken any action if someone hadn't complained. And how many complaints was it - one? two? a whole bunch?
Maybe I'll start a poll on whether Rogan gives him a post-fight interview next time 
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“If we wish to preserve a free society, it is essential that we recognize that the desirability of a particular object is not sufficient justification for the use of coercion” - F.A. Hayek
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