Hendo and Shogun; Too much for TV? you decide! |
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BigIP
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Posted by bjj1605
Posted by jae_1833
I hate draws, and I do believe that the judges scored it correctly. I stand by the fact that 10-8 rounds exist but do note think Shogun pulled it offer in the fifth. The top control was there but the gnp was note nearly effective enough for me. I personally think that the comeback by Shogun, the brutality displayed by Hendo in the third round would have done wonders on Fox. Dana is just convinced that a quick finish is what's the casuals want, I think he is confused....the casuals would have loved Bendo vs Guidance and Hendo vs Shogun both as much as I did....I just have the ability to follow the action a bit better is all.
If that wasn't a 10-8 or 10-7 round then we might as well strike them from the scoring system.
You can't reasonably expect a more dominant round than RND 5 of that fight.
That was not a 10-8 round. Shogun did no damage at all. Yes he had mount but Hendo held him for most of the round. Go back and watch round 3 and 5 and tell me which deserves the 10-8. Hendo completly destroy Rua in round 3 from the knockdown and GnP and then the standing elbows to the side of Rua's head. Hendo should have gotten a 10-8 for round 3.
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Post #16 11/20/11 6:31:51PM
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FastKnockout
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"It's already earned praise as one of the greatest fights in UFC history – if not MMA history."
It was a great fight, I admit. But I just don't understand all the hype around it. It wasn't THAT great, IMO.
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Post #17 11/20/11 7:18:06PM
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i dont think it goes down as a great fight bc each round was decisive.
there wasnt a round that can be debated as one won or the other, but it did live up to the hype & is one of the best i've seen in a long while
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Post #18 11/20/11 7:28:05PM
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Posted by Poor_Franklin
i dont think it goes down as a great fight bc each round was decisive.
there wasnt a round that can be debated as one won or the other, but it did live up to the hype & is one of the best i've seen in a long while
Watch Round 4 again.
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Post #19 11/20/11 7:30:17PM
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Posted by BigIP
Posted by bjj1605
Posted by jae_1833
I hate draws, and I do believe that the judges scored it correctly. I stand by the fact that 10-8 rounds exist but do note think Shogun pulled it offer in the fifth. The top control was there but the gnp was note nearly effective enough for me. I personally think that the comeback by Shogun, the brutality displayed by Hendo in the third round would have done wonders on Fox. Dana is just convinced that a quick finish is what's the casuals want, I think he is confused....the casuals would have loved Bendo vs Guidance and Hendo vs Shogun both as much as I did....I just have the ability to follow the action a bit better is all.
If that wasn't a 10-8 or 10-7 round then we might as well strike them from the scoring system.
You can't reasonably expect a more dominant round than RND 5 of that fight.
That was not a 10-8 round. Shogun did no damage at all. Yes he had mount but Hendo held him for most of the round. Go back and watch round 3 and 5 and tell me which deserves the 10-8. Hendo completly destroy Rua in round 3 from the knockdown and GnP and then the standing elbows to the side of Rua's head. Hendo should have gotten a 10-8 for round 3.
Jesus... I can't believe we still have to have *these* arguments. Round 5 was a clear cut 10-8. Period. It's not a matter of debate or argument. The rules don't say a damn thing about damage in the scoring criteria. Go back and read the unified rules of mma. I'm sick and tired of having to post the quotes myself. Your wrong, and so were the judges. It's that simple.
If there was a "must decision" like some of the Japanese promotions have used over the years than gun to my head i'd say Hendo deserved the decision at the end of the day. But given the rules we've got on the books here in a "socialist society" (made myself chuckle a bit there) the fight should have properly been scored a draw.
End of discussion.
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Post #20 11/20/11 8:17:16PM
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im sorry, but didnt the bloody slugfest of Griffin vs Bonnar I bring MMA/UFC a whole new fan base and took the sport to a new level? so how can Hendo vs Shogun not be good for network TV? it had 2 fairly well known names, 5 rounds, back and forth, far more technical, and a few close finishes. Bonnar vs Griffin I featured 2 unknowns who were gassed towards the end of round 2, was sloppy and didnt have any close finishes...but yet drew in a shit ton of fans.
as far as the scorecards go, i had Hendo 47-46 (10-9, 10-9, 10-8, 9-10, 8-10). 5th round was a 10-8 as Shogun clearly dominated Hendo for all 5 minutes and Dan did not offer up any offense in return (just like Fitch vs Penn round 3). round 3 was 10-8 because Hendo dropped Shogun once or twice, was very close a couple times to having the fight stopped, and Shogun offered very little (if any) offense in return.
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Post #21 11/20/11 8:19:07PM
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Posted by bojangalz
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Posted by bjj1605
Posted by jae_1833
I hate draws, and I do believe that the judges scored it correctly. I stand by the fact that 10-8 rounds exist but do note think Shogun pulled it offer in the fifth. The top control was there but the gnp was note nearly effective enough for me. I personally think that the comeback by Shogun, the brutality displayed by Hendo in the third round would have done wonders on Fox. Dana is just convinced that a quick finish is what's the casuals want, I think he is confused....the casuals would have loved Bendo vs Guidance and Hendo vs Shogun both as much as I did....I just have the ability to follow the action a bit better is all.
If that wasn't a 10-8 or 10-7 round then we might as well strike them from the scoring system.
You can't reasonably expect a more dominant round than RND 5 of that fight.
That was not a 10-8 round. Shogun did no damage at all. Yes he had mount but Hendo held him for most of the round. Go back and watch round 3 and 5 and tell me which deserves the 10-8. Hendo completly destroy Rua in round 3 from the knockdown and GnP and then the standing elbows to the side of Rua's head. Hendo should have gotten a 10-8 for round 3.
Jesus... I can't believe we still have to have *these* arguments. Round 5 was a clear cut 10-8. Period. It's not a matter of debate or argument. The rules don't say a damn thing about damage in the scoring criteria. Go back and read the unified rules of mma. I'm sick and tired of having to post the quotes myself. Your wrong, and so were the judges. It's that simple.
If there was a "must decision" like some of the Japanese promotions have used over the years than gun to my head i'd say Hendo deserved the decision at the end of the day. But given the rules we've got on the books here in a "socialist society" (made myself chuckle a bit there) the fight should have properly been scored a draw.
End of discussion.
All three professional judges disagree with you. End of discussion.
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Post #22 11/20/11 8:44:48PM
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Posted by BigIP
Posted by bojangalz
Jesus... I can't believe we still have to have *these* arguments. Round 5 was a clear cut 10-8. Period. It's not a matter of debate or argument. The rules don't say a damn thing about damage in the scoring criteria. Go back and read the unified rules of mma. I'm sick and tired of having to post the quotes myself. Your wrong, and so were the judges. It's that simple.
If there was a "must decision" like some of the Japanese promotions have used over the years than gun to my head i'd say Hendo deserved the decision at the end of the day. But given the rules we've got on the books here in a "socialist society" (made myself chuckle a bit there) the fight should have properly been scored a draw.
End of discussion.
All three professional judges disagree with you. End of discussion.
then explain how Bonnar got two 10-8 rounds while there wasnt any in the Rua/Hendo fight? how many times have these "professional judges" screwed up fights?
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Post #23 11/20/11 9:35:52PM
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Posted by BigIP
Posted by bojangalz
Posted by BigIP
Posted by bjj1605
Posted by jae_1833
I hate draws, and I do believe that the judges scored it correctly. I stand by the fact that 10-8 rounds exist but do note think Shogun pulled it offer in the fifth. The top control was there but the gnp was note nearly effective enough for me. I personally think that the comeback by Shogun, the brutality displayed by Hendo in the third round would have done wonders on Fox. Dana is just convinced that a quick finish is what's the casuals want, I think he is confused....the casuals would have loved Bendo vs Guidance and Hendo vs Shogun both as much as I did....I just have the ability to follow the action a bit better is all.
If that wasn't a 10-8 or 10-7 round then we might as well strike them from the scoring system.
You can't reasonably expect a more dominant round than RND 5 of that fight.
That was not a 10-8 round. Shogun did no damage at all. Yes he had mount but Hendo held him for most of the round. Go back and watch round 3 and 5 and tell me which deserves the 10-8. Hendo completly destroy Rua in round 3 from the knockdown and GnP and then the standing elbows to the side of Rua's head. Hendo should have gotten a 10-8 for round 3.
Jesus... I can't believe we still have to have *these* arguments. Round 5 was a clear cut 10-8. Period. It's not a matter of debate or argument. The rules don't say a damn thing about damage in the scoring criteria. Go back and read the unified rules of mma. I'm sick and tired of having to post the quotes myself. Your wrong, and so were the judges. It's that simple.
If there was a "must decision" like some of the Japanese promotions have used over the years than gun to my head i'd say Hendo deserved the decision at the end of the day. But given the rules we've got on the books here in a "socialist society" (made myself chuckle a bit there) the fight should have properly been scored a draw.
End of discussion.
All three professional judges disagree with you. End of discussion.
You sir are now on a watch list and if you dare question a judge or a ref ever again.....even in your head, sharp shooting ninjas will be staioned outside of your home and you will be terminated. That is your warning.
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Post #24 11/20/11 11:43:01PM
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Glad Hendo won but I honestly had it a draw. Haven't had a chance to watch it again though.
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Post #25 11/21/11 12:26:56AM
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I think the average American would have ate that fight right up, been excited beyond all belief and been instantly hooked on MMA.
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Post #26 11/21/11 12:48:42AM
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bjj1605
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Posted by Poor_Franklin
i dont think it goes down as a great fight bc each round was decisive.
there wasnt a round that can be debated as one won or the other, but it did live up to the hype & is one of the best i've seen in a long while
Watch Round 4 again.
For an example of a clear cut round that Shogun won.
Or watch rounds 1 and 2 for rounds that people can't agree on.
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Post #27 11/21/11 3:35:21AM
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I knew this fight would be fireworks.
Hendo impressed me by how he utterly beat the shit out of Shogun. I didn't think that was possible. He beat the breaks off him to the extent that he completely ran out of gas.
Shogun impressed me by how he could still breathe after that, and how dominant he was in the rounds after that. Shogun and Hendo look equally as messed up in the post-fight picture,i think that has to say something about the punches Shogun was landing in mount. Shogun did better in the clinch than i expected too.
Henderson is the fastest he's ever been. I'd like to see him fight Machida.
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Post #28 11/21/11 3:50:24AM
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What's with dana's attitude toward the fans??
This is the fight ufc needed last week. A 5 round war!!!
Too much for tv cause of what?? The blood!!! Better get use to it
Fox is in the MMA business. Blood happens!!!!!!!!
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Post #29 11/21/11 8:17:28AM
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Posted by bjj1605
Posted by Shawn91111
Posted by Poor_Franklin
i dont think it goes down as a great fight bc each round was decisive.
there wasnt a round that can be debated as one won or the other, but it did live up to the hype & is one of the best i've seen in a long while
Watch Round 4 again.
For an example of a clear cut round that Shogun won.
Or watch rounds 1 and 2 for rounds that people can't agree on.
Your a little bias if you can't decide who won the first three rounds.
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Post #30 11/21/11 8:40:09AM
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