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Gary Goodrich says fights were fixed in Pride

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Corruption is bound to happen in any business. We have to remember corruption can come from the fight organization as well as the fighters.

A fight organization is only as honest as his most deceitful fighter. I am willing to bet my existence there will and has been fighters who have thrown fights. Just think about it for a moment....

Fighters are in there to make money. Could it be possible so and so fighter throws a fight because he has made arrangements to bet on the other fighter to capitalize on a healthy return? Very possible and I believe it already has been done.

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Posted by FastKnockout


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If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....



I'll be man enough to admit that I was skeptical about the Anderson Silva/Forrest Griffin result. Something just didn't seem right with that fight. I've let it since then, though.



Were you just shocked, perhaps? Cuz that would be one of the last fights that I would suspect.

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Posted by FastKnockout


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If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....



I'll be man enough to admit that I was skeptical about the Anderson Silva/Forrest Griffin result. Something just didn't seem right with that fight. I've let it since then, though.



i still believe that fight was fixed. i could go into some detail but i will leave it at that.

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It is silly think there would be fixed fights in a big org. like the UFC. Do you not think there has ever been fixed games in big organizations like NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB or boxing? The truth is the bigger the sport gets the more money there is to be made by fixing fights. With how the UFC has grown and is still growing i think we will see a whole lot more fights being fixed in the future.

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Posted by bjj1605


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I remember back when Elite XC paid Seth Petruzelli to keep it standing with Kimbo.



Only instance of it ever I've heard of in a decent sized American promotion.

Overall, I think it is a very clean sport. Pride may have had questionable conduct at times, but all in all I think it was an honest sports organization.

Even in this case, Gary claims another fighters CAMP offered him money to throw the fight, not Pride officials.



its important to highlight that it wasn't Pride itself that was fixed but the CAMP.. good point.. i just wanna reiterate that and make sure people see it

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Their has been questionable bouts in the UFC but whether or not they where really "Worked" we won't ever know until probably 20 years down the line or so.
The most notable that comes to my mind was Franklin/Shamrock.
I'm in no way saying it was a work but their was lots of talk about it.
I've herd a few people claim the first GSP/Serra fight was fixed,I don't believe this but if you search on the interent their are people who really hold strong to that. I once read Don Frye tried to alter outcomes in his favor during the Seg days. I remember some contraversy going around that Dana was going up to fighters pre-fight and letting them know how much extra they would get for Ko's or subs. That's not fixing a fight,and we all know fighters get bonuses for thoughs type's of things,but I guess an argument could be made for the psychological impact that could have on an athlete before a bout.
As of right now all current UFC rumors are just speculation. To my knowledge no current UFC fighter has ever said he was offered money to take a dive.
If big news was to come out that fights where fixed I wouldn't be suprised though.
Dissapointed but not suprised.

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Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by pmoney

If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....



I'll be man enough to admit that I was skeptical about the Anderson Silva/Forrest Griffin result. Something just didn't seem right with that fight. I've let it since then, though.



I'll admit that I thought the fight was bizarre, but I never thought it was fixed or anything. A few days after the fight and having watched it a dozen times online, I came to the conclusion that what made it so bizarre was Forrest being WAY to timid. It seemed like he knew that he was facing the guy that, imo, is the best striker in MMA bar none, and as such, he seemed really hesitant to throw his strikes with anything behind them for fear that if he over committed and made a mistake anderson would make him pay. The problem was that by not committing to any of his strikes all he accomplished was letting anderson know that he had nothing to fear and Anderson decided to use that to take pot shots at Griffin until he was so ridiculously rocked that Griffin may as well have left the cage in a helmet with his name on it.

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Kimo vs Bob Sapp

This fight was not fixed but the ref was probably paid to make ever call to favor Sapp.

Sapp was on the verge of being knocked out. He spits out the mouth piece. The ref stops the fight for a long time to put the mouth piece back in.....and the rest is history>>>>>Kimo loses via tko.

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Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by pmoney

If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....



I'll be man enough to admit that I was skeptical about the Anderson Silva/Forrest Griffin result. Something just didn't seem right with that fight. I've let it since then, though.



Of all the fights to think were fixed.... I really cannot even believe I just read that.

And the other ones people have mentioned on here....GSP vs Serra? Shamrock vs Ken? Do you really think anybody in the UFC wanted Serra to win that fight?

This whole conversation has me annoyed. The fact that some fights in Pride were "worked" (I wouldn't say fixed. They just made it really hard for one fighter to win) does not mean fights in the UFC are. This is a sport. A REAL sport. I would be very surprised if any fights in the UFC were ever fixed.

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And he is saying this now 4 years after demise of pride
Why now and not then??

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Posted by bjj1605


Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by pmoney

If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....



I'll be man enough to admit that I was skeptical about the Anderson Silva/Forrest Griffin result. Something just didn't seem right with that fight. I've let it since then, though.



Of all the fights to think were fixed.... I really cannot even believe I just read that.

And the other ones people have mentioned on here....GSP vs Serra? Shamrock vs Ken? Do you really think anybody in the UFC wanted Serra to win that fight?

This whole conversation has me annoyed. The fact that some fights in Pride were "worked" (I wouldn't say fixed. They just made it really hard for one fighter to win) does not mean fights in the UFC are. This is a sport. A REAL sport. I would be very surprised if any fights in the UFC were ever fixed.



Shamrock vs Ken???

But kidding aside I never said any UFC fight was worked,just mentioned fights in speculation by certain people.
But on my behalf,I think anytime money and betting is involved you do run a risk.
As I said I don't really believe any current UFC fights have been a total work but it wouldn't suprise me either.

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