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pmoney
Heavyweight Champ
Career record: 544-319
Season: 39-20 (#408)
Location: PD, CA, USA
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When Liz Carmouche first walked into the San Diego Combat Academy, she wasn't sure how the team would take having a lesbian training partner. MMA seemed like a man's world, and maybe not the most accepting one for women in general. For a homosexual woman like herself, Carmouche thought, the reception would only be colder.
But after five years in the Marines under the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy, Carmouche had decided that she was done lying about who she was.
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Post #1 7/20/11 6:13:43PM
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FlashyG
MMA Sensei
Career record: 937-503
Season: 41-18 (#283)
Location: Toronto
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Anyone else shocked that a gym full of guys had no trouble rolling around with a lesbian?
I know lesbians generally repulse us men right?
I bet a gay man wouldn't get the same reception in a lot of gyms though.
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Post #2 7/20/11 6:23:37PM
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pmoney
Heavyweight Champ
Career record: 544-319
Season: 39-20 (#408)
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Posted by FlashyG
Anyone else shocked that a gym full of guys had no trouble rolling around with a lesbian?
I know lesbians generally repulse us men right?
I bet a gay man wouldn't get the same reception in a lot of gyms though.
That's a valid point. I would hope that any gym would be accepting of an openly gay fighter, regardless of gender, but I could see discrimination being a problem.
I thought the article was good. It was an interesting read, and definitely gave more insight into a Carmouche's life than most fighter interviews. I just hope people don't start judging her based on her sexuality as opposed to her fighting ability. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more fighters who are gay who wouldn't come out for the same reasons.
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Post #3 7/20/11 6:52:04PM
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machodog76
Belt Contender
Career record: 942-601
Season: 35-24 (#773)
Location: portland
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You end up in some pretty awkward positions in jujitsu, I don't consider myself a homophobe, but I think I would feel weird rolling with a guy who I knew was gay. I'm not trying to be offensive it's just my honest feeling.
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Post #4 7/20/11 8:23:34PM
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REBEL WITH A CAUSE
Career record: 844-512
Season: 44-15 (#87)
Location: Milwaukie, Oregon
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Posted by pmoney
When Liz Carmouche first walked into the San Diego Combat Academy, she wasn't sure how the team would take having a lesbian training partner. MMA seemed like a man's world, and maybe not the most accepting one for women in general. For a homosexual woman like herself, Carmouche thought, the reception would only be colder.
But after five years in the Marines under the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy, Carmouche had decided that she was done lying about who she was.
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Post #5 7/20/11 9:40:00PM
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warglory
Heavyweight Champ
Career record: 474-323
Season: 9-5 (#2066)
Location: Portland, ME
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I think it would be easier to roll with a gay woman. The potential sexual tension isn't there, so it's easier to stay focused.
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Post #6 7/20/11 9:42:27PM
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Come at me bro
Career record: 603-359
Season: 46-13 (#52)
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
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now all we need is Gina Carano to come out saying shes in a relationship with Danica Patrick 
all kidding aside, good for Liz for coming out. unfortunately i still think its going to be a long time before a male fighter comes out with the machoism of the sport and the potential homophobia of rolling with a gay man
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Post #7 7/20/11 11:14:04PM
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warglory
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Career record: 474-323
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Posted by Bubbles
now all we need is Gina Carano to come out saying shes in a relationship with Danica Patrick
all kidding aside, good for Liz for coming out. unfortunately i still think its going to be a long time before a male fighter comes out with the machoism of the sport and the potential homophobia of rolling with a gay man
There have been a few openly gay guys, I don't think any of them have made much headway in the sport though.
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Post #8 7/20/11 11:22:29PM
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Mhunt1140
Learning to Sprawl
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Season: 42-17 (#764)
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This is a very good story, but again as many have said I am going to guess that it is much easier to accept an openly gay female fighter as opposed to a male one. I know that some have brought up the point that while training (especially in ju-jitsu) there will be some very compromising positions that two people could get into. However, with that being said I hope that one day we will be able to accept openly gay males in all forms of athletics. I personally believe that during sports that is the last thing on anyone's mind so I see nothing against it but I do feel like it may be awhile before there are any high profile openly gay male fighters.
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Post #9 7/21/11 12:05:04AM
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prozacnation1978
Heavyweight Champ
Career record: 1016-531
Season: 43-16 (#40)
Location: san diego
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I didn't know she was gay.
Cool that she is open about it, it may be harder for male fighters to come out then women in mma.
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Post #10 7/21/11 8:16:19AM
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ghandikush
MMA Sensei
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Posted by warglory
Posted by Bubbles
now all we need is Gina Carano to come out saying shes in a relationship with Danica Patrick
all kidding aside, good for Liz for coming out. unfortunately i still think its going to be a long time before a male fighter comes out with the machoism of the sport and the potential homophobia of rolling with a gay man
There have been a few openly gay guys, I don't think any of them have made much headway in the sport though.
I thought CB and Ring were, and they have to roll with top guys.
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Post #11 7/21/11 8:55:57AM
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tallica62
Belt Contender
Career record: 895-568
Season: 37-22 (#1108)
Location: San Diego
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Posted by FlashyG
I bet a gay man wouldn't get the same reception in a lot of gyms though.
very true...shes more openly received because she is a woman....
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Post #12 7/21/11 9:26:35AM
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kingsmasher
BANNED
Career record: 244-148
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Orlando
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Well IMO what a dumb thing to worry about...Worrying about if fighters are against a lesbian...and cause distractions...
I would say thats no where close to Gina Carano causing distractions...
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Post #13 7/21/11 9:57:21AM
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