Which UFC Champ has faced stiffest compettition? |
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Patchedup15
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Career record: 368-291
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This is a very interesting scientific look at determining which current belt holder has faced the toughest road to present day.
So don't look at the following list as a concrete ranking, but rather as a quick-and-dirty snapshot for my own curiosity. There is no subjectivity here, just cold, hard numbers.
In order to compile this list, I have taken the combined win-loss-draw totals for all of the fighters that the current UFC champions have faced. I then subtracted that champion's record from the totals to determine a winning percentage independent of the champion's success or failure.
The following is an ordering of each UFC champion, starting with the lowest strength of schedule (SOS), and continuing to the highest. And just for the sake of argument, Emelianenko's SOS stands at .612, with a combined opponent independent W-L-D of 455-270-18.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/769053-which-ufc-champion-has-faced-the-stiffest-competition
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Post #1 7/17/11 6:29:06PM
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prozacnation1978
Heavyweight Champ
Career record: 993-519
Season: 20-4 (#43)
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Gotta go with GSP!!!
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Post #2 7/17/11 6:46:50PM
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Interesting read but I don't like the way the guy that did the article counted their opponent's independent records.
He counted their records as of today rather than their records prior to them fighting each other.
As an example Fujita beat a 24-5 Ken Shamrock at PRIDE 10 but this article's methods would've given Fujita a win over a lackluster 28-15 opponent because that is what Shammy is today. You shouldn't count a fighter's opponent declining after the fact in an independent records, it should be up until the point they fought each other.
Just my opinion 
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Post #3 7/17/11 6:57:20PM
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Randy is King
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Posted by prozacnation1978
Gotta go with GSP!!!
Definitely. Fitch, Alves, Hughes x 2, Shields, Penn x 2, Sherk, Koscheck x 2. I mean no other champion has a record that nice.
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Post #4 7/17/11 7:06:08PM
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Randy is King
Career record: 975-580
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Posted by Kpro
Interesting read but I don't like the way the guy that did the article counted their opponent's independent records.
He counted their records as of today rather than their records prior to them fighting each other.
As an example Fujita beat a 24-5 Ken Shamrock at PRIDE 10 but this article's methods would've given Fujita a win over a lackluster 28-15 opponent because that is what Shammy is today. You shouldn't count a fighter's opponent declining after the fact in an independent records, it should be up until the point they fought each other.
Just my opinion
Agreed. I was thinking the same thing. Maia was no where near Silva's toughest fight.
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Post #5 7/17/11 7:07:12PM
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ghandikush
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Champs past and present.....
probably gsp/bj/Anderson in close order.
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Post #6 7/17/11 7:21:24PM
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REBEL WITH A CAUSE
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Season: 20-4 (#127)
Location: Milwaukie, Oregon
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Gotta be GSP. Plus he takes no nights off like Anderson
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Post #7 7/17/11 8:02:31PM
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CCPRIDE99
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how the hell is this topic even up for debate? gsp. easily. second place is anderson. easily
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Post #8 7/17/11 8:16:14PM
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Slight Reach Advantage
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Posted by CCPRIDE99
how the hell is this topic even up for debate? gsp. easily. second place is anderson. easily
yep
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Post #9 7/17/11 9:03:34PM
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Remember Paul Herrera
Career record: 1017-538
Season: 20-4 (#60)
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Anderson, IMO has faced tougher competition than Gsp.
A list of their ten toughest opponents.
Vitor Belfort, Rich Franklin(2-0), Chael Sonnen, Demian Maia, Forrest Griffin, Chris Leben, Dan Henderson, Nate Marquardt, Sakurai, Patrick Cote.
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Thiago Alves, Matt Hughes(2-1), Josh Koscheck(2-0), Sean Sherk, Bj Penn(2-0), Dan Hardy, Jon Fitch, Jake Shields, Karo Parisyan, Matt Serra(1-1).
From my perspective,
Belfort > Alves (Both Inconsistent strikers, Belfort is by far more dangerous)
Franklin > Hughes (Lets be real, Hughes was on the decline)
Sonnen > Koscheck (Sonnen has worse Sub D, Kos has worse Str D, Sonnen's MMA wrestling is better)
Maia - Sherk (Niether was a threat stylistically, and both are one dimensional grapplers)
Forrest > BJ Penn (In the context that Forrest was a weight class up, and BJ was a weight class down. Bj without a doubt is better p4p, but weight is a crucial variable)
Leben > Hardy (He's Better. Then and Now)
Dan Henderson > Jon Fitch (He undisputedly was the better fighter at the time of their fight(s). And i'd argue that he still is.)
Nate Marquardt < Jake Shields (It can be argued either way. But i'll give the benefit of the doubt to Shields.)
Mach Sakurai > Karo Parisyan (Mach was the best WW in the world when he fought Anderson. Karo hadn't even peaked yet.)
Patrick Cote > Matt Serra (Niether fighter deserved the shot, but won it on TUF. Serra beat Gsp, Cote lost to Anderson.)
Now i know this is a subjective analysis(and indeed all analysis are), but i think its fairly ludicrous that people say GSP fought the better competition hands down. Personally i think he's had gimme fights, or fights where stylistically his opponents had no route of victory.
Last edited 7/17/11 9:31PM by pookie
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Post #10 7/17/11 9:05:30PM
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FlashyG
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I dunno Pookie, he faced some mediocre competition early in his career, compared to GSP's start.
Its pretty impressive that the worst record Georges faced was actually Matt Serra's.
Its too bad BJ isn't included in these stats, I'd guess his score based on this guys method would be right up there with GSP and Cain.
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Post #11 7/17/11 9:37:09PM
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Jekyll
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look at Silvas first 15 fights... there are only a few names even worth mentioning ....
and those are like Carlos Newton and Jeremy Horn and a few losses to people no-one has really even herd of like Daiju Takase
Silvs competion has not been half what GSPs has... atleast people have herd of all the people GPS has fought...
Last edited 7/17/11 9:52PM by Jekyll
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Post #12 7/17/11 9:51:00PM
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Remember Paul Herrera
Career record: 1017-538
Season: 20-4 (#60)
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Oh well yeah, the beginning of Silva's career, who ******* knows how good those guys were. I don't.
I was speaking in terms of just stiffest competition overall, not in terms of average stiffness per fight lol.
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Post #13 7/17/11 10:05:14PM
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DeadHead988
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Career record: 231-189
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My vote goes to GSP on this one
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Post #14 7/17/11 10:51:43PM
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summersmmafan
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 174-105
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Location: tennessee
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anderson silva has faced stiffer compettion than gsp. its close between gsp and penn imo
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Post #15 7/18/11 2:18:32AM
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