Dana White: It looked like Ryan Bader froze and choked against Tito Ortiz at UFC 132 |
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Add another to the growing list of his employees that UFC President Dana White has accused of choking.
During a recent appearance on the Opie and Anthony Show, the conversation turned to the Tito Ortiz vs. Ryan Bader fight that went down on July 2 at UFC 132 and while White was complimentary of Ortiz, he wasn't so nice to Bader.
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Post #1 7/10/11 3:23:44PM
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Come at me bro
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i guess everyone who loses chokes. why not call all 12 losers on each card chokers then?
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Post #2 7/10/11 3:51:46PM
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Uncle Dana has a point.
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Post #3 7/10/11 4:02:11PM
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bjj1605
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Riddle me this Batman....
would he be saying this if Bader hadn't lost to Dana's most hated fighter?
If he lost to Chuck Liddell for instance, Dana would say, "Chuck hits F%*KINg hard man. He knocks everybody out."
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Post #4 7/10/11 4:04:25PM
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I wonder if he would have worded it differently if Bader hadn't lost against Ortiz by choke.
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Post #5 7/10/11 4:26:12PM
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pmoney
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Posted by Bubbles
i guess everyone who loses chokes. why not call all 12 losers on each card chokers then?
Dude, there were only 11 fights on 132. Not every card has 12 fights. Choke job, Bubbles.
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Post #6 7/10/11 4:31:32PM
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Bader looked flat & gun-shy.
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Post #7 7/10/11 5:35:12PM
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Posted by Poor_Franklin
Bader looked flat & gun-shy.
he absolutely did. He got popped with a pretty good shot too. Dana didn't want Bader to lose. He was one of the new LHW that the ufc could promote and a guy that hadn't won since ken shamrock fought in the ufc derailed that carriage, oh and I guess they have this little feud going on
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Post #8 7/10/11 5:42:43PM
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Aether
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I'm not a big fan of the way Dana has been calling fighters out like this. I just don't see the purpose, at this level of competition anyone can win and lose, why go around calling out your own roster of fighters when they take a loss? It's one thing if they put on an Anderson vs Maia type of performance, but it's a totally different thing if they go out, try their best and take a loss to a top fighter.
Bader was pretty much a perfect stylistic matchup for Tito. He has poor striking, his wrestling is not explosive enough to cause Tito a lot of problems, and there's no chance of him getting a submission. Bader's main strengths are his wrestling and power. Tito's has great wrestling, a very hard head, and decent standup, I thought the fight could go either way, and the "how can tito win" thread, while it was generally just a bit of fun, I was pretty shocked at how badly everyone was counting Tito out.
I've been saying for a while now that Tito is really not all that washed up, I understand the hate toward him, I've never liked his personality, but people are far too quick to equate their dislike of a fighter's personality with a lack of skill on that fighter's part when they take a loss or two.
I don't think Bader choked, I think he faced a solid fighter who has a stylistic advantage over him. I think that most wrestlers will have an advantage over Bader because he doesn't have explosive, driving takedowns, and his striking is very rudimentary. He wins by bullying people around or landing a big power shot, those tactics are stifled heavily by someone with equivalent or better wrestling and better standup + a good chin.
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Post #9 7/10/11 5:42:51PM
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This is coming from someone who was beyond confident in Bader winning but its true what Dana is saying. Not because he lost because everyone losses but just the nature of the way her lost. He came out very gun shy and looked timid & beat before the fight even started. The nostalgia of it possibly being Titos last fight and him being a huge favorite got to him and he crumbled under the pressure.
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Post #10 7/10/11 5:46:20PM
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I agree with Aether on this subject, other than the rematch with Griffin, he's been competitive against tough competition, to count him out against an unproven and not very versatile fighter like Bader was ridiculous. I think his stamina is still a big question mark until he goes three rounds again, and I think his better days are past him but he's a tough fight for most.
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Post #11 7/10/11 6:00:23PM
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Posted by sbulldavid
I agree with Aether on this subject, other than the rematch with Griffin, he's been competitive against tough competition, to count him out against an unproven and not very versatile fighter like Bader was ridiculous. I think his stamina is still a big question mark until he goes three rounds again, and I think his better days are past him but he's a tough fight for most.
To you and aether its easy to say with hindsight that Ortiz was a "good style" fight for Bader. Going into the fight you have no reason to believe so. In ortiz's career he had never shown good power in his hands and bader had never been hurt by punches. On top of that Titos wrestling had been exposed by Hamil so we thought Ryans wrestling could have similar success. The only advantage I would have given tito is submissions because he proved in the Machida fight that he does know how to grapple. lastly the only reason I replied is that you wrote Bader was unproven, since when is beating lil nog an easy task? and also finishing Jardine with vicious power. between his gun shyness in the Ortiz fight and him pulling guard against Jones the problem with Bader is deff his mind set.
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Post #12 7/10/11 6:51:43PM
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Does anyone else think that it's revealing that once Tito ditched the b#*ch he won a fight?
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Post #13 7/10/11 7:42:19PM
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Posted by quezocrema0032
Posted by sbulldavid
I agree with Aether on this subject, other than the rematch with Griffin, he's been competitive against tough competition, to count him out against an unproven and not very versatile fighter like Bader was ridiculous. I think his stamina is still a big question mark until he goes three rounds again, and I think his better days are past him but he's a tough fight for most.
To you and aether its easy to say with hindsight that Ortiz was a "good style" fight for Bader. Going into the fight you have no reason to believe so. In ortiz's career he had never shown good power in his hands and bader had never been hurt by punches. On top of that Titos wrestling had been exposed by Hamil so we thought Ryans wrestling could have similar success. The only advantage I would have given tito is submissions because he proved in the Machida fight that he does know how to grapple. lastly the only reason I replied is that you wrote Bader was unproven, since when is beating lil nog an easy task? and also finishing Jardine with vicious power. between his gun shyness in the Ortiz fight and him pulling guard against Jones the problem with Bader is deff his mind set.
I made several posts leading up to the fight stating clearly that I thought Ortiz was still a top fighter, so obviously I did have reason to believe it. I also put money on Ortiz because I knew the odds were ridiculous. I picked Bader, but like I said initially I thought the fight could go either way easily.
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Posted by mrsmiley
Does anyone else think that it's revealing that once Tito ditched the b#*ch he won a fight?
Perhaps....I'm shocked that Tito beat someone not named Ken Shamrock 
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