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Marquardt's coach didn't agree with TRT

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In the case of Marquardt, Wittman knew his fighter was undergoing testosterone treatments. He didn't agree with it, he said, but he also didn't feel like it was his place to tell a veteran fighter how to conduct his career.

What's more, even though he felt like the testosterone use shouldn't have been allowed, technically -- at least if Marquardt could provide proof of his need for it and get his levels down to within a range acceptable by the commissions before each fight -- it was. Marquardt was attempting to follow the rules laid out by the commissions, Wittman said. That's why, in Marquardt's mind, it wasn't cheating at all.

"Nate Marquardt is a guy who's never been untruthful with me. Everything that he tells me, and everything he told me going into this fight and back before New Jersey, it's something that he truly believes in. He went and had his testosterone checked. And when I spoke to him about it, I could tell he really believes he'd done the right thing, because the doctors are telling him, 'Your levels are low. You need this. This is why you're tired. We'll give you this and you'll perform like you're young again.' Man, you start telling a guy that, he's going to believe you.

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Post #1   6/29/11 12:16:17PM   

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Very interesting read, I think I agree with him. But I think there has to be some point where abnormally low testosterone levels in relation to a guy's age can be addressed medically. If it's just a case of getting older I say deal with it.

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My opinion of all this is for all competitors to compete using whatever means they have without any outside supplements and or enhancements.

Assume we are in the future in which technology is at its greatest and anything remotely possible can be done: In this instance, should an athlete be allowed to undergo surgery to get bionic arms and legs for competition? Some of you will say yes but I say NO.

We need to keep competition in its truest and rawest form. By allowing testosterone treatments, we will eventually open doors for other ways of enhancements.

So what if Nate gets tire due to low levels of testosterone? He either fights with what he has or undergoes testosterone treatment and find another career.

I want to be an mma fighter but I am too old to start training. Can I put on a power ranger suit so I can compete with the younger and stronger fighters?

I want to be an astronaut too but I am intellectually challenged. Can I get the state of the art brain and surgically put it in me?

The simple fact is all sports and careers are not fit for everyone. You make with what you have and you do it to the best of your abilities.

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I don't think it's that black and white, If a guy tears his MCL should he be allowed to have surgery or be forced to compete at a disadvantage? where do supplements like Creatine or Muscle Milk fit in? It's tricky because as soon as one PED gets banned, chemists are already working on a new one that is slightly different that does the same thing.

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I just found this quote from Dr Benjamin on Sherdog,

"The specter of performance-enhancing drugs is very high in elite-level sports. The desire to win and be rewarded – especially financially – has further fueled the "win at all costs" and "if you're not cheating you're not trying hard enough" mentalities.

Testosterone-replacement therapy (TRT) primarily is intended to treat fairly uncommon conditions of teenage boys who were not maturing properly because of genetic abnormalities, chronic illness, pituitary-gland dysfunction, testicular trauma, etc.

The legitimate use of TRT, as it pertains to elite-level athletes, is a relatively new phenomenon – and potentially a very slippery slope and ripe for abuse.

The normal range of testosterone is quite broad (250 to 800 ng/deciliter), and it varies by time of day and age of the subject. Testosterone levels normally decline with age. Diagnosis is not simply related to results of the blood test. Multiple vague subjective symptoms (as told to the doctor by the patient but cannot be objectively proven) are also taken into account when making the diagnosis.

Many men in their mid-40s and early-50s, rightly or wrongly, are diagnosed and treated for low testosterone (low T) because they want that old "fire" back. Big pharma has spent a fortune on marketing to convince this demographic of men that they are suffering from "male menopause" and can live a much happier and more vigorous lifestyle by purchasing and taking their drugs. Rrrr!

This normal age-related decline has nothing to do with young, amazingly fit, male elite athletes – other than creating the mindset that everything is a disease that must be treated with a drug.

The world and U.S. anti-doping (WADA and USADA) guidelines are very clear and strict when it comes to proper diagnosis, qualification of physicians (endocrinologists), testing intervals, and approved drugs and treatment regimens for the safe and acceptable administration of TRT in elite athletes.

Why is the process so strict? Because high-dose testosterone administration producing levels significantly higher than the normal range may potentially provide performance enhancement. Furthermore, if the athlete gets caught, he simply says, "Not my fault. My doctor made a mistake."

It is not unheard of or particularly uncommon for an athlete with a somewhat low or borderline testosterone level to seek out and befriend an endocrinologist (or local doctor because they are far more abundant and often easier to influence), recite a litany of symptoms that cannot be disproved, and thus be deemed appropriate for TRT.

For these reasons (and many others that I will not bore you with), I believe that TRT should not be allowed in elite-level competition. It is too easy to cheat and very difficult and time consuming to monitor the proper treatment process.

The bottom line is that TRT was developed and intended for the medically necessary treatment of a small subset of young boys who need this hormone to develop normally and have a shot at a more normal life – and not, amazingly, healthy young men who want a shot at the title.

Like it or not, everyone is not fit to be an elite-level athlete – despite big pharma marketing to us otherwise and attempting to sell us better living through chemistry.

Did I just say that? What am I doing? No more free golf trips for me!"

Dr. Johnny Benjamin is MMAjunkie.com's medical columnist and consultant and a noted combat-sports specialist. He is also a member of the Association of Boxing Commissions' MMA Medical Subcommittee. In addition to his "Ask the Fight Doc" feature, Dr. Benjamin pens "Medical Beat" columns about issues relating to health care and combat sports. You can find Dr. Benjamin online at index, and you can read his other sports-related articles at blog.drjohnnybenjamin.com.

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Post #5   6/29/11 5:18:17PM