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Yay, I missed the facebook fights, so at least get to watch one of them tonight.

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Post #121   6/4/11 11:41:16PM   

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Did I mention I fu**kin hate TUF cards. I changed my pick to Ramsey.

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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in the playground is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no props, and may the mods have mercy on your soul.

Post #122   6/4/11 11:41:54PM   

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Please tell me at what point in that fight did Guida ever put offense on Pettis he landed one overhand right and a few takedowns. Pettis was working triangles put a nice head kick on him, landed more punches from his back the Clay landed from top position. Locked up a armbar for a second. I knew that the judges would score that for Guida the always do. I knew a few playgrounders would as well.



I sure thought Guida contolled the pace octagon control and what you see as sub attempts are just that an attempt....I guess you would like to see better scoring for punches attempted....a sub attempt is nothing in my eyes but a waste of energy...



Dude if you don't stop a fight and it goes to the cards the fighter that inficts more damge and imposes more offense should be the winner of the fight. No matter if it is off your back or not.

Post #123   6/4/11 11:42:00PM   

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Pettis has the same problem as Miguel Torres and thats putting too much faith in BJJ...



How did you take that away from this fight?



Its very difficult to sub fighters these days...I think the better option for Pettis and Torres would be looking to scramble and get back to your feet...Especially in Torres case cause Mighty Mouse is clearly just stronger than Torres so a submission win is even more difficult...

So what I say is get back to your feet is the better option subs are just a waste and you look bad on your back...

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I went 5-6. Like 33 points. One of my worst showings ever! I started the season ranked in the hundreds, then in the forties, then a crap showing last week sent me into the 200's, and after doing even worse AND missing my parlay this event....

Post #125   6/4/11 11:46:17PM   

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Please tell me at what point in that fight did Guida ever put offense on Pettis he landed one overhand right and a few takedowns. Pettis was working triangles put a nice head kick on him, landed more punches from his back the Clay landed from top position. Locked up a armbar for a second. I knew that the judges would score that for Guida the always do. I knew a few playgrounders would as well.



I sure thought Guida contolled the pace octagon control and what you see as sub attempts are just that an attempt....I guess you would like to see better scoring for punches attempted....a sub attempt is nothing in my eyes but a waste of energy...



Dude if you don't stop a fight and it goes to the cards the fighter that inficts more damge and imposes more offense should be the winner of the fight. No matter if it is off your back or not.




I will leave you in your argument and let you wallow in your misery of obviously losing...I picked Pettis...but he did not win....

Post #126   6/4/11 11:47:48PM   

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I know I prolly didn't get too many points but hit a good size parlay of about 4k with the two man parlay of Kingsbury & Guida. (Although, I thought Kingsbury might have lost Rds 2&3)

Oh nice, get to watch Grispi/Roop too.

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Post #128   6/4/11 11:51:05PM   

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Posted by kingsmasher


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Please tell me at what point in that fight did Guida ever put offense on Pettis he landed one overhand right and a few takedowns. Pettis was working triangles put a nice head kick on him, landed more punches from his back the Clay landed from top position. Locked up a armbar for a second. I knew that the judges would score that for Guida the always do. I knew a few playgrounders would as well.



I sure thought Guida contolled the pace octagon control and what you see as sub attempts are just that an attempt....I guess you would like to see better scoring for punches attempted....a sub attempt is nothing in my eyes but a waste of energy...



Dude if you don't stop a fight and it goes to the cards the fighter that inficts more damge and imposes more offense should be the winner of the fight. No matter if it is off your back or not.




I will leave you in your argument and let you wallow in your misery of obviously losing...I picked Pettis...but he did not win....



That's your counter arguement? FAIL.

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Posted by Twenty20Dollars

I know I prolly didn't get too many points but hit a good size parlay of about 4k with the two man parlay of Kingsbury & Guida. (Although, I thought Kingsbury might have lost Rds 2&3)

Oh nice, get to watch Grispi/Roop too.



This is hilarious...Grispi...Grispi standup is bad...Leaves himself way open and takes his eyes off opponent when he swings...

Post #130   6/4/11 11:54:18PM   

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Posted by kingsmasher


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Pettis has the same problem as Miguel Torres and thats putting too much faith in BJJ...



How did you take that away from this fight?



Its very difficult to sub fighters these days...I think the better option for Pettis and Torres would be looking to scramble and get back to your feet...Especially in Torres case cause Mighty Mouse is clearly just stronger than Torres so a submission win is even more difficult...

So what I say is get back to your feet is the better option subs are just a waste and you look bad on your back...



That's not always an option...or at least not always the best one. A smart, well rounded fighter will weigh his options, depending on the skillset of his opponent, position in the Octagon, position of his opponent, etc...not just go for something that's not gonna happen. If you'll notice, Pettis got back up to his feet, when he was in position to do so. Just as it's not smart to "just" look for submissions, it's not smart to "just" try and stand up. If you fight someone with good top game, sometimes the better move is to be offensive, rather than defensive...especially if you have the tools to do so.

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Maybe Grispi is a "fluke"

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Please tell me at what point in that fight did Guida ever put offense on Pettis he landed one overhand right and a few takedowns. Pettis was working triangles put a nice head kick on him, landed more punches from his back the Clay landed from top position. Locked up a armbar for a second. I knew that the judges would score that for Guida the always do. I knew a few playgrounders would as well.



I sure thought Guida contolled the pace octagon control and what you see as sub attempts are just that an attempt....I guess you would like to see better scoring for punches attempted....a sub attempt is nothing in my eyes but a waste of energy...



Dude if you don't stop a fight and it goes to the cards the fighter that inficts more damge and imposes more offense should be the winner of the fight. No matter if it is off your back or not.




I will leave you in your argument and let you wallow in your misery of obviously losing...I picked Pettis...but he did not win....



That's your counter arguement? FAIL.




OK for the sake of argument...Joe Rogan just said school yard logic matters in UFC...The guy on top the majority of people will think that person won the fight...Now for Guida and Pettis and Torres and Might Mouse...While they both attempted subs from the bottom they really only do one thing....Cost energy to the one trying....Neither Guida or Mighty mouse had any damage done to them...If I had to pick Pettis or Torres as the winner I thoguht Torres did a ton more from the bottom but I am going with how judging is today...And there was zero damage that we could see to either fighter...But Octagon Control is huge GUida did take Pettis down multiple times and really had no problem doing it...He controlled the fight and cause Joe Rogan yelling sub attempts are just attempts...I said before should then there be scoring for KO attempts why not? its the same thing....

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HAd to stop the argument because the other guy is extremly biased and it was quite obvious...

Post #134   6/5/11 12:01:07AM   

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