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Posted by AdamG
Seriously, Pael Nastula? The guys is f-ing 1-3 and you say he can beat someone who is 26-1-0. Nastula was owned in all of his losses and hasn't shown any hint of bettering his stand up game. Fedor knocked out Zulu with one punch, a left hand. What makes you think Pawel will last against Fedor?
The first thing you need to do is throw the record concept you have straight down the drain, it doesnt mean jack... Also Pawel was far from being dominated in any of his fights, if you actually watched them all you would have known that... The reason Pawel is my pick for the person most likely to beat Fedor is most simply his style as opposed to Fedor's... Pawel can easily clinch him and take him down, and so long as he maintains top position (by not gassing or losing composure) he can sub him or take it to a UD...
...again, saying that someone can't beat someone because of their record is just silly...
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Post #46 4/27/07 4:24:23PM
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i agree richie, nastula's style matches up great with fedor. i just hope we see him back in pride, and i reaaaaaaalllly enjoyed his fight with barnett!
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Post #47 4/27/07 5:17:08PM
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And I believe Gonzaga could very well beat him but to say that he "will" as if it was a certainty is kinda foolish.
Just cause i said i can see Gonzaga,Couture,and Arlovski beating him doesnt mean "I am 100% sure they can beat Fedor".......I know Fedor is the real deal and can give anyone problems,but i just have had it with all the "Fedor is GOD" BS...and all those who say "nobody stands a chance".
remember when i told you the difference between Chuck,and Crocop?...that CroCop retreats with pressure,and Chuck steps back and counters....this was back in a thread where we were talking about a fight of Chuck vs Fedor.....I also think Chuck would knock Gonzaga out if he were attacking him the way he attacked Crocop that fight.....If chuck beats Rampage,i hope they set up a fight with him and Fedor before he gets too old and retires
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Post #48 4/27/07 6:42:21PM
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Posted by Trapt1nw0nder
3 of Prides top Heavys have bit the dust in the UFC already that im really starting to think Fedor isnt as good as you all think....i have said this before all these losses
first Herring gets dominated by a Jake O'Brien...
Werdum's debut was pityful...
Since when were Werdum and Herring top ranked Pride heavies?
Werdum lost to Nog and Kharatonov and beat Overeem who is LHW
Herring follows the same suit. As for the CC fight, hats off to Gonzaga, what MMA has really shown is that no fight is a sure thing.
IMO Arlovski looked just as bad as Werdum and won on leg kicks alone.
People could say the same thing about Chuck Liddell. He's faced mediocre opposition at best in comparison to the PRIDE LHW division. BUT you cannot deny the fact that because he dominated his opposition so convincingly he deserves his #1 spot.
Is Fedor unbeatable YES. would I bet against him. Hell no
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Post #49 4/27/07 8:20:44PM
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Posted by Trapt1nw0nder
3 of Prides top Heavys have bit the dust in the UFC already that im really starting to think Fedor isnt as good as you all think....i have said this before all these losses
first Herring gets dominated by a Jake O'Brien...
Werdum's debut was pityful...
Since when were Werdum and Herring top ranked Pride heavies?
Werdum lost to Nog and Kharatonov and beat Overeem who is LHW
Herring follows the same suit. As for the CC fight, hats off to Gonzaga, what MMA has really shown is that no fight is a sure thing.
IMO Arlovski looked just as bad as Werdum and won on leg kicks alone.
People could say the same thing about Chuck Liddell. He's faced mediocre opposition at best in comparison to the PRIDE LHW division. BUT you cannot deny the fact that because he dominated his opposition so convincingly he deserves his #1 spot.
Is Fedor unbeatable YES. would I bet against him. Hell no
I agree with the last part, Fedor isn't unbeatable, but I think he is the best their is right now. Chuck also desrerves his ranking. Herring was the #3 HVY in Pride at one time, but hasn't seemed to progress since. Werdum lost a decision to Big Nog that didn't look very decisive to me, and just beat Alek's decisively recently. Yes, he looked horrible against Arlovski. I completely agree about Arlovski, I think the back to back losses to Sylvia have made him gunshy. As for Chuck I completely disagree that he hasn't fought top competition. I think Randy would still be the #2 at LHVY if he fought in that weight class, and was when he retired. Babalu was on a huge winning streak, including wins over Shogun, Horn, snake Diabate, Prangley, and Sonnen. Not all LHVY's, but all top 20 in either LHVY or Middleweight IMO. Horn is a warrior and his only losses in 6 years are to top guys. Tito may not be my favorite guy, but I think almost anyone would have him at least top 10. So I think Chuck and Fedor both deserve their lofty status. Could either lose ? Sure, but I think they are both the consensus #1 at their respective weight classes for a reason.
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Post #50 4/27/07 9:02:40PM
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Posted by Jeffanori-Gomi
Posted by Trapt1nw0nder
3 of Prides top Heavys have bit the dust in the UFC already that im really starting to think Fedor isnt as good as you all think....i have said this before all these losses
first Herring gets dominated by a Jake O'Brien...
Werdum's debut was pityful...
Since when were Werdum and Herring top ranked Pride heavies?
Werdum lost to Nog and Kharatonov and beat Overeem who is LHW
Herring follows the same suit. As for the CC fight, hats off to Gonzaga, what MMA has really shown is that no fight is a sure thing.
IMO Arlovski looked just as bad as Werdum and won on leg kicks alone.
People could say the same thing about Chuck Liddell. He's faced mediocre opposition at best in comparison to the PRIDE LHW division. BUT you cannot deny the fact that because he dominated his opposition so convincingly he deserves his #1 spot.
Is Fedor unbeatable YES. would I bet against him. Hell no
I agree with the last part, Fedor isn't unbeatable, but I think he is the best their is right now. Chuck also desrerves his ranking. Herring was the #3 HVY in Pride at one time, but hasn't seemed to progress since. Werdum lost a decision to Big Nog that didn't look very decisive to me, and just beat Alek's decisively recently. Yes, he looked horrible against Arlovski. I completely agree about Arlovski, I think the back to back losses to Sylvia have made him gunshy. As for Chuck I completely disagree that he hasn't fought top competition. I think Randy would still be the #2 at LHVY if he fought in that weight class, and was when he retired. Babalu was on a huge winning streak, including wins over Shogun, Horn, snake Diabate, Prangley, and Sonnen. Not all LHVY's, but all top 20 in either LHVY or Middleweight IMO. Horn is a warrior and his only losses in 6 years are to top guys. Tito may not be my favorite guy, but I think almost anyone would have him at least top 10. So I think Chuck and Fedor both deserve their lofty status. Could either lose ? Sure, but I think they are both the consensus #1 at their respective weight classes for a reason.
It actually says Fedor is unbeatable, I believe he will retire undefeated. He has to come to the UFC tho, nothings left in PRIDE and I don't want to see him waste his talent in BODOG. So many matchups in UFC I would want to see involving Fedor. Cotoure, Gonzaga, CC, Big Nog, Sylvia, Arlovski, Vera, the list goes on and on.
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Post #51 4/27/07 9:07:38PM
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Posted by kerazzle
And I believe Gonzaga could very well beat him but to say that he "will" as if it was a certainty is kinda foolish.
Just cause i said i can see Gonzaga,Couture,and Arlovski beating him doesnt mean "I am 100% sure they can beat Fedor".......I know Fedor is the real deal and can give anyone problems,but i just have had it with all the "Fedor is GOD" BS...and all those who say "nobody stands a chance".
remember when i told you the difference between Chuck,and Crocop?...that CroCop retreats with pressure,and Chuck steps back and counters....this was back in a thread where we were talking about a fight of Chuck vs Fedor.....I also think Chuck would knock Gonzaga out if he were attacking him the way he attacked Crocop that fight.....If chuck beats Rampage,i hope they set up a fight with him and Fedor before he gets too old and retires
I see, I just thought u said Gonzaga WILL beat Fedor, and although that certainly is a possibility i dont think it's certain, that's all im sayin. I cant even predict anything in mma anymroe with the way things are going so who knows wuts gunna happen, maybe James Thompson wil beat Fedor via brutal flying knee.
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Post #52 4/27/07 10:23:31PM
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This thread is pretty silly. Fedor is OBVIOUSLY the best heavyweight in the world and probably the best fighter- period.
Cro-cop is not the same Cro-cop right now. Not taking anything away from Gonzaga, but Mirko doesn't seem to be inspired at the moment. Just because Gonzaga won, takes nothing away from the pride heavies. Arlovski and Werdum was unimpressive for both fighters and kudos to Andrei for getting the win. Herring hasn't been a 'top' pride heavy in a few years- if ever. How can anyone say Fedor hasn't beaten tough competition he's beaten EVERYONE- with the exception of Josh (that's a fight I'm looking forward to if it ever happens). Big Nog, Fedor and Josh are the best heavyweights in the world. If Crocop gets his 'fighting spirit' back, he's right there with them. They would all beat Sylvia, Arlovski, and Couture 95% of the time IMO. Gonzaga looked fantastic and he may eventually be up there too, but I think it's too early to tell. Just watch the 2 Nogueira-Barnett fights and you can see two of the best all-around fighters in the world there's no one in the UFC with those kind of skills. Fedor has beaten everyone thrown at him- mostly the best heavyweights around- every time out. So there is no doubt that he is the BEST right now and has been for a few years now.
I hate to say it but he would beat Chuck pretty easily IMO. Chuck would not be able to prevent his takedowns and Fedor would brutalize him on the ground.
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Post #53 4/27/07 10:54:52PM
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I really hope fedors next fight in pride (he still has a fight on his contract) is with Barnett. We have to see this fight, I know Barnett still has a fight on his contract as well so this would be a no brainer. If Fedor wins i think it would silence alot of critics but u never know, barnett has a great style to pull off an upset.
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Post #54 4/27/07 11:04:26PM
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Posted by kerazzle
I really hope fedors next fight in pride (he still has a fight on his contract) is with Barnett. We have to see this fight, I know Barnett still has a fight on his contract as well so this would be a no brainer. If Fedor wins i think it would silence alot of critics but u never know, barnett has a great style to pull off an upset.
While Barnett has a great style for an upset, and is my pick to beat Fedor, I don't think even a dominant win says there's no more matches for him. We've all seen this yeaer that nothing's definite, especially when the "underdog" either is or shoud be one of the top's, ko's happen dominant upsets happen. If Fedor fights at least 6 fights in the next 2 years I think he'll lose at least one prob'ly 2. You can only fight the top guys for so long befor either age or odds or sumthin catches up with you. I think every time he wins his chances at winning the next one are diminished, just on odds not even considering who the next guy may be, and I want to see it-- the whole Marciano "retire after 30 fights cuz there's no competitiion" thing to me is stupid. Look how many boxers have 100 fights or more and have comparable records, if he had stayed around he would've lost that's why he left - imo - is he knew his body was winding down and he had beaten best for that period. Going out on top, to me, is an excuse for a champion to start questioning his own abilities rather than always facing the next challenge.
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Post #55 4/28/07 5:34:11AM
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I really hope fedors next fight in pride (he still has a fight on his contract) is with Barnett. We have to see this fight, I know Barnett still has a fight on his contract as well so this would be a no brainer. If Fedor wins i think it would silence alot of critics but u never know, barnett has a great style to pull off an upset.
While Barnett has a great style for an upset, and is my pick to beat Fedor, I don't think even a dominant win says there's no more matches for him. We've all seen this yeaer that nothing's definite, especially when the "underdog" either is or shoud be one of the top's, ko's happen dominant upsets happen. If Fedor fights at least 6 fights in the next 2 years I think he'll lose at least one prob'ly 2. You can only fight the top guys for so long befor either age or odds or sumthin catches up with you. I think every time he wins his chances at winning the next one are diminished, just on odds not even considering who the next guy may be, and I want to see it-- the whole Marciano "retire after 30 fights cuz there's no competitiion" thing to me is stupid. Look how many boxers have 100 fights or more and have comparable records, if he had stayed around he would've lost that's why he left - imo - is he knew his body was winding down and he had beaten best for that period. Going out on top, to me, is an excuse for a champion to start questioning his own abilities rather than always facing the next challenge.
True but it's the athletes body and ultimately his decision. I mean if he feels he has proven himself enough and doesnt want to strain his body in combat sports anymore I still respect him. Rocky Marciano had quite a few wars in the ring I dont blame him for retiring when he did. When you think about it, theres never an end to the competition, there is always new blood and new talent arriving sooner or later so ultimately, its up to the athlete himself to draw the line.
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Post #56 4/28/07 5:46:41AM
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Firstly your argument on why fedor isnt number 1 is flawed........How can the fact Gonzaga ko'd a fighter fedor has defeated affect how good Fedor is?
If gonzaga defeats couture, does that take anything away from chucks victorys over couture? of course not!
Fedor is not unbeatable........and there is still lots of fighters he has yet to face (Couture, Barnett, Gonzaga, Werdum, Arlovski, silvia etc).....but at the moment he is without doubt the best HW in the world, and im sure most of the mma HW's would agree too.
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Post #57 4/29/07 8:43:37AM
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Anything can happen is a fight. I would say its 70/30 maybe 60/40 that Fedor ends his career undefeated to having a lose. Ive said it before and i guess it bears repeating. Hes beat the best submission fighter in the world. Taken on the hardest hitters and been rocked, been dropped on his head and has not been beat. Who now will knock him out? who will submit him? Hes beaten them all. The single greatest factor to Fedor being #1 is his transitions. No one in MMA now can move from striking, to takedowns, to GnP, or submissions like Fedor. I will trust Randys thoughts on Fedor that he is the best P4P fighter in the world. On another note i belive it will take someone like Fedor and his transitions to beat Chuck.
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Post #58 4/29/07 1:11:22PM
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Stupid People will say: Untested? He has fought good strikers (Mirko) Good Grapplers (Nog) and good wrestlers (Randle).
Uhh okay, but it's MMA... he is fighting one dimensional people. Fedor can strike, he can wrestle, he can hold his own on the ground. Being well versed and a natural athlete is all you need to dominate over at pride.
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Post #59 4/29/07 8:47:00PM
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fedor is by far not unbeatable....wrestlers have shown they can dominate him and put him on his back. the problem is there submission defense is relatively nonexistant(ie randleman, coleman,etc...). A guy like couture who is also very well rounded with better wrestling than fedor could very well be the guy to turn the lights out for emelianenko. on the other side of the scale. arlovski's sambo is better imo. arlovski just likes to stand up in his fights. all it would take is one of fedors punches to miss or be caught from in arlovski's guard and here comes the armbar. gonzaga i dont think would have a chance. he didnt dominate the standup between him and crocop, he just pressed the action. fedor would come out and a barrage of hooks would ko gonzaga fairly quickly...
another question....if he is so dominant in the heavies shouldnt he come down to 205 for more top level fighters? he has weight he can lose fairly easy. just my thoughts. i would love to see henderson/fedor at 205....
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