Frank Shamrock: I Did Not Offer to Take a Dive Against Kimbo Slice |
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Frank Shamrock says former EliteXC matchmaker Jared Shaw's recent claim of Shamrock offering to take a dive against Kimbo Slice in the main event of EliteXC-CBS on Oct. 4, 2008 was fabricated.
"No, absolutely not," Shamrock said Monday on The MMA Hour, when asked by host Ariel Helwani about Shaw's claim. "That's some movie b.s. right there."
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Post #1 3/22/11 10:05:37AM
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Twenty20Dollars
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I think Shaw did want someone to take a dive against Kimbo, whether he said it or not.
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Post #2 3/22/11 11:50:00AM
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Did they not pay or ask Seth to stand with Kimbo anyway? I read that somewhere, he said he wouldn't but yet he did anyway
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Post #3 3/22/11 12:34:33PM
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icantthinkofanything
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I heard he was gonna replace his brother since Ken got a cut,
I doubt Shammy would throw a fight,
he is way to concerned with his nickname "legend" to throw it all away and lose to a hw, especially since he would make the same money beating someone smaller and easier to fight.
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Post #4 3/22/11 12:54:46PM
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Posted by icantthinkofanything
especially since he would make the same money beating someone smaller and easier to fight.
This was so last minute that it could be a "name your price" situation though.
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Post #5 3/22/11 1:16:42PM
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machodog76
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The shaws are full of s**t, I don't beleive anything they say. The only guy who took a dive aginst Kimbo was Bo Cantrel (in my opinion). Then of course there's the TKO of James Thompson for a Cauliflower ear popping, and the alledged no ground stipulation with Ken, Man! Elitexc was corrupt. I bet Frank was offerd cash to take a dive and said no and this is just sour grapes from scumbag Shaw Jr.
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Post #6 3/22/11 2:05:31PM
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RearNakedJoke
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I dont doubt that Frank offered to throw the fight. He sounded desperate to take Kens spot and steal his thunder. There is not a doubt in my mind that he said it just to get the fight and would have taken kimbo down and subbed him.
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Post #7 3/22/11 2:49:55PM
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This whole story originated with this interview. Believe it or not, Shaw comes off as far less of a tool than you'd expect. As for the meat of the story, I don't see how either $kala or Franky Shams have enough credibility banked up for either's word to be trusted. But this certainly is a fun glimpse into the debacle that was the Shaw era in MMA.
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Post #8 3/22/11 3:16:14PM
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I don't like Kimbo anywhere near MMA. Never did, never will, and I wouldn't put it past Frank to offer to throw the fight.
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Post #9 3/22/11 3:32:12PM
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It's hard to believe Shamrock when he blatantly lied in the interview about having never done worked fights. A lot of Pancrase bouts were works, and I've seen him in more than one from that promotion.
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Post #10 3/22/11 5:43:55PM
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I take franks side on the situation.
He's so ashamed of what Ken has done I don't think he would have thrown the Kimbo fight.
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Post #11 3/22/11 7:37:47PM
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A few highlights I got today from Sherdog radio for those who have no listened yet.
1. Frank fought in Pancress and as stated before worked fights happened all the time there.
2. Frank was and still is a share holder of Pro Elite he had a huge Financial intrest in Elite XC. This was the CBS card Kimbo had to fight.
3. Shamrock claims he offred to fight him but Shaw said no. He said he would make Kimbo look like a million bucks. When asked if that ment he would carry him Shamrock said no I would have kicked the crap out of him with style .
4. Shaw claims he felt Frank and Cung Le Fixed thier fight. Sighting why would Frank not take him to the floor?
5. Lastly one of them claimed that Ken may have cut himself to get out of the Kimbo fight.
Its all really intresting. I didn't get to listen to the sunday sit down yet but the Savage dog show and Beatdown covered this very well. In the end its the word of one snake agianst the other.
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Post #12 3/22/11 8:56:43PM
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One Interview I saw with Frank said he would make the fight entertaining. But being entertaining and throwing a fight can be two completely different things all together.
Yeah,i'm sure pancrase had some worked bouts,though how many i'm not sure of,and everyone one of Pancrase top elite have different stories to tell about the situation. I know Ken had at least one fixed fight for sure but i really don't know about the other fighters and the situations they delt with.
Like Bas said, "the fights where only fixed when the champions had to lose a fight but never when they won a title." That I believe carries merit with it.
But while we are on the topic of fixed fights in Japan i feel it very important that we remove our western perception of the idea and look at it from the view of the Japanese for a moment (something most never attempt to do) and keep from demonizing it so much. MMA in Japan did not really originally come from the UFC but devolped through their own pro-wrestling and the need to watch bouts that where not all "fixed",or not completely fake. Watch the first few original RINGS events and you will see the evolution from complete pro-wrestling,to stiff wrestling,to full on MMA. It had a different system of development in Japan and would be influenced by what is now known as MMA but was not created by it.
In short,fights that where somewhat worked or planned out was not so big a deal in Japan,or at least not to the Japanese.
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Post #13 3/22/11 10:49:39PM
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Posted by mrsmiley
One Interview I saw with Frank said he would make the fight entertaining. But being entertaining and throwing a fight can be two completely different things all together.
Yeah,i'm sure pancrase had some worked bouts,though how many i'm not sure of,and everyone one of Pancrase top elite have different stories to tell about the situation. I know Ken had at least one fixed fight for sure but i really don't know about the other fighters and the situations they delt with.
Like Bas said, "the fights where only fixed when the champions had to lose a fight but never when they won a title." That I believe carries merit with it.
But while we are on the topic of fixed fights in Japan i feel it very important that we remove our western perception of the idea and look at it from the view of the Japanese for a moment (something most never attempt to do) and keep from demonizing it so much. MMA in Japan did not really originally come from the UFC but devolped through their own pro-wrestling and the need to watch bouts that where not all "fixed",or not completely fake. Watch the first few original RINGS events and you will see the evolution from complete pro-wrestling,to stiff wrestling,to full on MMA. It had a different system of development in Japan and would be influenced by what is now known as MMA but was not created by it.
In short,fights that where somewhat worked or planned out was not so big a deal in Japan,or at least not to the Japanese.
It's hard to ignore the horrible decisions though, Ninja vs Rampage always comes to mind for me. organized crime has a big hand in JMMA. There are countless instances of refs enforcing rules very differently for non- Japanese fighters.
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Post #14 3/23/11 1:41:43AM
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Posted by jjeans
Did they not pay or ask Seth to stand with Kimbo anyway? I read that somewhere, he said he wouldn't but yet he did anyway
Thats what Seth Petruzelli was claiming but Elite XC denied it. Who knows if this is true either since obviously Frank is denying it as well. It does make ya think though.
Posted by Svartorm
It's hard to believe Shamrock when he blatantly lied in the interview about having never done worked fights. A lot of Pancrase bouts were works, and I've seen him in more than one from that promotion.
no ****? when did that come to light? I never heard anything about it.
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