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What bothers me is the talent gap. What IF Jones really IS that good. In a heads up match-up between Jones and Evans, I would have to take Jones at this point.

But seriously, how good can Jones be? I saw nothing that would make him a victim of the 'Dana White Hype Machine.' The guy has out right skills; the guy put up, as opposed to the Brock Lesnar shut up. But in Brock's defense, he did show he can win in diverse fashions.

But thinking about that question, being that Shogun KO'd Machida and that Shogun was supposed to be healthy for this last past loss; was Shogun really that bad of a match up? Or was Shogun really that much better than Machida?

Is Jones far more talented than both of the Brazilian beasts? Shogun is a very good fighter, and I never doubt my guy Lyoto; but HOLY SH#T!

Jones looked like a Lion on a Gazelle; I think Jones has the ability to impose his will on anyone on the Light Heavy division right now.

I think Dana White let a tiger loose in a school bus full of kids and shut the doors! Jones was the definition of (inset comment here).

Talent Gap, that's my only concern. The Light Heavy has been the most competitive division in the UFC for a few years, IMO.



Think about this. . . Jones has only been training MMA for three years. When Shogun's UFC debut loss to to Forrest happened before Jon Jones had even started to train for MMA.

That could be either good or bad for the talent gap. It might be bad in the sense that Jones might have a ways to go before he reaches full potential. It might be good in the sense that there could be someone out there right now who hasn't even trained yet who will kick Jones' ass in three years.



That's a great way to look at it. I mean I saw nothing in his game that was bad. He leaves me wanting nothing, and the guy just pounced on Shogun. I just don't want to see the Light Heavys become like the 170 and 185. Two guys run the division for a long time. Diversity is always a good thing.

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Posted by zxandu


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What bothers me is the talent gap. What IF Jones really IS that good. In a heads up match-up between Jones and Evans, I would have to take Jones at this point.

But seriously, how good can Jones be? I saw nothing that would make him a victim of the 'Dana White Hype Machine.' The guy has out right skills; the guy put up, as opposed to the Brock Lesnar shut up. But in Brock's defense, he did show he can win in diverse fashions.

But thinking about that question, being that Shogun KO'd Machida and that Shogun was supposed to be healthy for this last past loss; was Shogun really that bad of a match up? Or was Shogun really that much better than Machida?

Is Jones far more talented than both of the Brazilian beasts? Shogun is a very good fighter, and I never doubt my guy Lyoto; but HOLY SH#T!

Jones looked like a Lion on a Gazelle; I think Jones has the ability to impose his will on anyone on the Light Heavy division right now.

I think Dana White let a tiger loose in a school bus full of kids and shut the doors! Jones was the definition of (inset comment here).

Talent Gap, that's my only concern. The Light Heavy has been the most competitive division in the UFC for a few years, IMO.



Think about this. . . Jones has only been training MMA for three years. When Shogun's UFC debut loss to to Forrest happened before Jon Jones had even started to train for MMA.

That could be either good or bad for the talent gap. It might be bad in the sense that Jones might have a ways to go before he reaches full potential. It might be good in the sense that there could be someone out there right now who hasn't even trained yet who will kick Jones' ass in three years.



That's a great way to look at it. I mean I saw nothing in his game that was bad. He leaves me wanting nothing, and the guy just pounced on Shogun. I just don't want to see the Light Heavys become like the 170 and 185. Two guys run the division for a long time. Diversity is always a good thing.



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It was a good fight.

Post #18   3/20/11 9:58:34PM   

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What bothers me is the talent gap. What IF Jones really IS that good. In a heads up match-up between Jones and Evans, I would have to take Jones at this point.

But seriously, how good can Jones be? I saw nothing that would make him a victim of the 'Dana White Hype Machine.' The guy has out right skills; the guy put up, as opposed to the Brock Lesnar shut up. But in Brock's defense, he did show he can win in diverse fashions.

But thinking about that question, being that Shogun KO'd Machida and that Shogun was supposed to be healthy for this last past loss; was Shogun really that bad of a match up? Or was Shogun really that much better than Machida?

Is Jones far more talented than both of the Brazilian beasts? Shogun is a very good fighter, and I never doubt my guy Lyoto; but HOLY SH#T!

Jones looked like a Lion on a Gazelle; I think Jones has the ability to impose his will on anyone on the Light Heavy division right now.

I think Dana White let a tiger loose in a school bus full of kids and shut the doors! Jones was the definition of (inset comment here).

Talent Gap, that's my only concern. The Light Heavy has been the most competitive division in the UFC for a few years, IMO.



Think about this. . . Jones has only been training MMA for three years. When Shogun's UFC debut loss to to Forrest happened before Jon Jones had even started to train for MMA.

That could be either good or bad for the talent gap. It might be bad in the sense that Jones might have a ways to go before he reaches full potential. It might be good in the sense that there could be someone out there right now who hasn't even trained yet who will kick Jones' ass in three years.



That's a great way to look at it. I mean I saw nothing in his game that was bad. He leaves me wanting nothing, and the guy just pounced on Shogun. I just don't want to see the Light Heavys become like the 170 and 185. Two guys run the division for a long time. Diversity is always a good thing.



Really? All we talk about is how great Tyson was and how awesome it was to see him murder everyone. How about Ali? Mayweather? Pac Man? Want MMA? Matt Hughes, Chuck Liddell, Wandy Fedor? Now Anderson and GSP! I love the domination and wondering who will be the next to beat them. Cause it will happen at some point. By that time you have a run and the belt bounces around a bit then you find the new champ. I think its cool. Not to mention I always want to see the most skilled fighters at their best.

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I want to see Jones vs. Phil Davis

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What bothers me is the talent gap. What IF Jones really IS that good. In a heads up match-up between Jones and Evans, I would have to take Jones at this point.

But seriously, how good can Jones be? I saw nothing that would make him a victim of the 'Dana White Hype Machine.' The guy has out right skills; the guy put up, as opposed to the Brock Lesnar shut up. But in Brock's defense, he did show he can win in diverse fashions.

But thinking about that question, being that Shogun KO'd Machida and that Shogun was supposed to be healthy for this last past loss; was Shogun really that bad of a match up? Or was Shogun really that much better than Machida?

Is Jones far more talented than both of the Brazilian beasts? Shogun is a very good fighter, and I never doubt my guy Lyoto; but HOLY SH#T!

Jones looked like a Lion on a Gazelle; I think Jones has the ability to impose his will on anyone on the Light Heavy division right now.

I think Dana White let a tiger loose in a school bus full of kids and shut the doors! Jones was the definition of (inset comment here).

Talent Gap, that's my only concern. The Light Heavy has been the most competitive division in the UFC for a few years, IMO.



Think about this. . . Jones has only been training MMA for three years. When Shogun's UFC debut loss to to Forrest happened before Jon Jones had even started to train for MMA.

That could be either good or bad for the talent gap. It might be bad in the sense that Jones might have a ways to go before he reaches full potential. It might be good in the sense that there could be someone out there right now who hasn't even trained yet who will kick Jones' ass in three years.



That's a great way to look at it. I mean I saw nothing in his game that was bad. He leaves me wanting nothing, and the guy just pounced on Shogun. I just don't want to see the Light Heavys become like the 170 and 185. Two guys run the division for a long time. Diversity is always a good thing.



Really? All we talk about is how great Tyson was and how awesome it was to see him murder everyone. How about Ali? Mayweather? Pac Man? Want MMA? Matt Hughes, Chuck Liddell, Wandy Fedor? Now Anderson and GSP! I love the domination and wondering who will be the next to beat them. Cause it will happen at some point. By that time you have a run and the belt bounces around a bit then you find the new champ. I think its cool. Not to mention I always want to see the most skilled fighters at their best.



MMA I am still learning, but Boxing I am a VIVID. (not porn.) Tyson happen to come into a situation where no one had ever been weaker. The Heavyweight division caught "on-fire" during the 80's not because of the skill, but because Tyson was a 1-hitter-quitter. (Not to that extent.) Tyson happened to have new 2000's power in the late 1980's. There is no boxing expert out there that will tell 'Iron' Mike Tyson was a tech. sound boxer, he just had KO power with both left and right.

And that's sort of the reason why Tyson is a "legend." What I like about MMA is that there is no such thing as an unbeatable fighter, but putting Jones in the match against Shogun, seems like Dana White putting a pitbull in a kennel full of Labs.

It's his league and he can do what he wants, but Jones in the light heavy seems like a situation bound to end up like GSP and Spider.

Fans pay to see them fight, but the match ups don't seem interesting. Because we know who's going to win.

Jones is going to dominate LH, period. He's 23, hasn't hit his physical prime and it's going to cost dana white in the long run.

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I want to see Jones vs. Phil Davis



Davis just had an impressive win over Lil Nog, but he isnt ready for the belt, and I dont think he will get a title shot.

Jones is fighting Rashad next.

And if Davis did get it, he would have to fight a Top 15 fighter : Matt Hamill, then a Top 10 Fighter : Rampage, or Machida. Then he would fight the Top Contender (If he wins the first two fights) : Shogun, Rashad, etc.

I dont think Davis would make it past a Top 10 fighter (Lil Nog excluded.)

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I say bring back someone like hendo. couture. some hardnosed wrestler who can take strikes and is super savvy. I'm not saying that shogun wouldn't be them. But I think a strong wrestler with lots of MMA Experience who can scrap a lil (hendo for example) just to see whats up with jones. It'd be nice to see what jones could do in the face of takedowns. (hamil) doesn't really count. hendo vs hamil in strikes/takedowns is hendo everytime in my opinion. and ofcourse someone like couture brings gameplans that rival jackson's. interesting to me, but I may be way off track.

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