Liddell vs rampage 2... the facts ??? |
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mkiv9secsupra
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Posted by nubby
Posted by warglory
Posted by Pookie
well, chuck hasnt been against a fighter who can do damage in the stand-up in awhile. Unfortunately all the prior contenders were grapplers, playing into chuck liddells best attribute, his takedown defense.
Also apparently rampage was not training in a professional manner against ninja.
If rampage can keep his wit, and fight an aggressive fight like last time i think hell pull it out tko the 4rth. But if hes tenative and unwilling to get into the mix of things chuck will take him in the later rounds. Rampages chin is remarkable there is no way chuck will stop it in round one
Rampage may have quite the chin, but Liddell's punching power could easily deliver a KO if he landed a clean swift punch, especially in the first when he has the most energy.
If 17 knees can't knock him unconcious, Liddell's punches can't either. That's not to say he can't ge the TKO from a called fight.
oh you mean the 17 knees where only 3 or 4 landed good? yeah i think thats the fight...
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Post #16 4/23/07 5:57:11PM
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Mastodon2
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yeah 5 or 6 landed really hard, square on his chin, but the others were hitting around his throat and glancing off his cheeks, which would rock a man with a weaker chin.
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Post #17 4/23/07 6:45:30PM
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AdamG
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I like the breakdown you've listed, very thorough.
I see each fighter win differently however.
If Rampage wants to win, he has to take the center of the octagon. Instead of backing up or moving forward he has to focus on moving side to side. He won the first fight against Chuck because he was faster with his deeks, and got outside Liddell's hooks. He should set up a take down with punching combos and work to get side control. Chuck has been put down, but always stands up. This is because his opponents never secure guard or sink in the hooks. Tito had his back and he still got up. With side control, Rampage can drop elbows and open up a cut.
Chuck will come out and do what he does best. Keep the fight on the feet and prevent the take down. If I were him I'd practice leg kicks and knees. Rampage won't be able to secure a take down if he doesn't have his legs and could get caught with a knee looking for a single leg.
I do believe that it is in the UFC's interest for Liddell to win, but I don't think they're playing to his advantage. Look at what happened to CC. If Rampage wins, they want to be able to secure him in the UFC for a while. Rampage has the potential to be a great champ, and they wouldn't pass on that opportunity because he doesn't have enough fights in his contract. Also, who else is there for Chuck to fight? Liddell has destroyed his last 7 opponents and the UFC is running out of fighters to challenge him. They'll have to start bringing in guys from Pride or have Chuck move up to HW when he beats Rampage.
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Post #18 4/24/07 3:21:06PM
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methodman_90
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Posted by Mastodon2
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I have to pick chuck overall, probebly a different fight if the ufc gave rampage abit longer until they paired these two up.
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Im picking Rampage to win, I think he will still pull out a victory, but Dana White is trying to screw rampage by putting him up against Chuck so soon. Dana just wants redemption for the embaressing loss in Pride, so he is trying to get Rampage in there before he is ready, and then have him lose to get him out of the title picture so Chuck can hold the belt longer, and sell more T shirts.
To be honest I think Dana wants Chuck to beat rampage now so that it sets up Chuck vs. Rampage 3 in the near future seeing as they are short of contenders. Shogun should be next in line after this fight and I predict Chuck by TKO in the 3rd or 4th round
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Post #19 4/24/07 5:14:53PM
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JBatch
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This will be one hell of a fight and will sell the event in itself. This is going to be an absolute war. I do not think Rampage will be able to take Chuck down unless the fight goes to the 4th or 5th. Early on there will be lots of bombs and if Rampage tries to throw bombs like he did against Eastman, Wandy or Shogun he is going to get countered by Liddell sent to the canvas and pounded out.
I have Chuck taking this in the 2nd.
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Post #20 4/24/07 5:45:57PM
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ufcbadboy
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Something to consider: Rampage admitted that he was nervous during his UFC debut. How nervous is he going to be being the main event at one of the biggest venues?
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Post #21 4/25/07 1:21:02AM
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Posted by zephead
Chuck's loses to Horn, Coutre and Jackson were due to having no footwork. Chuck stood flatfooted. He didn't circle. Being flatfooted allowed them to take him down. It allowed Randy and Rampage to beat him to the punch. Ever since then, Chuck is moving. Playing the angles. Picking his shots. Forcing you to come to him.
The thing that I find funny is, when people say that, " Chuck is fighting nothing but grapplers. He hasn't fought a great striker yet. When he does, we shall see." The last I looked, Randleman and Gozango aren't "World Class Strikers", but they KTFO Cro Cop, who is considered a "World Class Striker." Henderson KO'ed Wandy. Henderson isn't a "World Class Striker" but Wandy is considered one. The list goes on and on. Who had the best chance of beating Fedor? Who had Fedor wobbled by a right? It wasn't a "World Class Striker."
When I look at this fight, I see Chucks game improve by leaps and bounds. I see more confidence. I see a smarter fighter. I see someone picking their shots. Waiting for an opening. I remember after their first fight, Randy said, "Chuck only needs to improve on a few things to beat me." Chuck did. Footwork.
Chuck is a tough out for anybody right now. His takedown defense and power. His ability to be able to backpedal and KO is amazing. His ability to play the angles and draw you in is what is amazing. Right now Chuck is on top of his game. Making you fight his fight and it sports that's what it's about.
Great post. As for quality of competion Chuck has fought.I personally still believe Randy was the #2 LHVY in the world when he retired and is to this day.
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Post #22 4/25/07 2:26:01AM
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TGS
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I have to say I think it will be Liddell by a KO in round 4.
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Post #23 4/25/07 6:13:25AM
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keith-hackney1
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I have a feeling that if chuck takes this fight and levels off with a near perfect career record in the sense that he has rectified all his losses, i say he will retire within the next year. With Chuck being in all these tv shows and starring in the new punisher movie, he will leave the ufc and go into the movies. 
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Post #24 5/20/07 3:58:35PM
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Ultimate_fighter
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RAMPAGE WIN 3RD KO/TKO I think he will slam him and just gnp till chucks heart stops beatin'
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Post #25 5/20/07 4:03:49PM
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Posted by keith-hackney1
I have a feeling that if chuck takes this fight and levels off with a near perfect career record in the sense that he has rectified all his losses, i say he will retire within the next year.
I think the Pride buy out will be enough to keep him going. Chuck is the type of guy that always talks about wanting to fight the best so I'm sure he'll stick around for a few super fights if his body is up to it.
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Post #26 5/20/07 6:32:03PM
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Posted by zephead
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Posted by warglory
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well, chuck hasnt been against a fighter who can do damage in the stand-up in awhile. Unfortunately all the prior contenders were grapplers, playing into chuck liddells best attribute, his takedown defense.
Also apparently rampage was not training in a professional manner against ninja.
If rampage can keep his wit, and fight an aggressive fight like last time i think hell pull it out tko the 4rth. But if hes tenative and unwilling to get into the mix of things chuck will take him in the later rounds. Rampages chin is remarkable there is no way chuck will stop it in round one
Rampage may have quite the chin, but Liddell's punching power could easily deliver a KO if he landed a clean swift punch, especially in the first when he has the most energy.
If 17 knees can't knock him unconcious, Liddell's punches can't either. That's not to say he can't ge the TKO from a called fight.
Just like all the heaveyweights that couldn't KO Randy so Chuck wouldnt? Just like Horn had never been dropped so Chuck couldn't? Just like Fujita couldn't hurt Fedor?
Wether or not Horn was kncoked down, he certainly wasn't knocked out, and that was all the point I was making. Don't read beyond that.
Last edited 5/20/07 8:58PM by nubby
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