UFC's "selective stand-up" policy? |
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rcg916
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Hey guys...
Is anyone else sick of the "selective standing up" of particular fighters, especially those that the UFC has sunk some advertising dollars into? UFC officials have began, very blatently, I might add, standing up the fighters that they bill as having knockout power, have featured in TUF or as "rising stars" on the Fight Nights. It most often happens with about 30 seconds to go in the round, and also usually once their "golden boy" has been taken down. Check back over the last 6 months or so worth of big fights. The official will stand the fighters up, to give the crowd a shot at seeing their favorite star get the KO!
Now, let me be clear... This time, it involved an establish superstar. However, the ad money was spent on him all the same. I am talking about the stand up in the CroCop fight tonight, as well as many others. Tonight with CroCop, a few times with Diego's last couple fights, as well as Leben and Swick in the past, among other TUFers (for the most part). Now Im a huge CroCop fan, and if it werent for the huge high kick by Gonzaga, that standup couldve helped Mirko a ton. But nonetheless, even if it helps a fighter that I really like, I STILL HOLD THE OFFICIALS RESPONSIBLE FOR GIVING BOTH FIGHTERS A CHANCE TO WIN.
Gonzaga was working like mad from the top, and had Mirko in trouble, but somehow Herb Dean saw a lack of action, and stood them up. Gonzaga went no more than a second between shots, clearly he was staying busy. This time it helped a fighter I happen to like(briefly, before the high kick heard 'round the world), but it doesnt change the fact that its happening more and more often. They are taking the ground game out of the equation for the average casual fan's sake, and its killing me...
The UFC officials are doing everything they can to give their boys a shot. Protect the investment... Is that the phrase Im looking for?
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Post #1 4/22/07 4:13:02AM
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skiba97
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Yeh, that stand up was pretty un called for. If crop cop had got up and head kicked gonzaga, i think hed be pretty pissed off! He was dominating on the ground, looked like he had mirko cut pretty bad, and was constantly landing shots. I though herb stood in to get the cut checked or somthing, i didnt understand why it needed to be stood up.
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Post #2 4/22/07 4:39:19AM
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Manfred
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I agree it was a very bad call, but Herb is usually impartial, even when he's wrong. He' been on the wrong side of calls before
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Post #3 4/22/07 5:45:49AM
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Jamie98s
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He sure wasnt in a hurry to stand Mcully and hardonk up,when hardonk would have gotten the KO.
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Post #4 4/22/07 6:54:15AM
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xchickox
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it was definately harsh on gonzaga last night when they got stood up even though he was working a lot on the ground with punches and elbows, after the work he did he deserved to knock out cro cop, i think if it hadn't been stood up the work gonzaga was doing would have had the fight stopped because a lot of it cro cop wasn't defending
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Post #5 4/22/07 7:46:21AM
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Ydoc
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This is very true. If you watched Silva vs Kongo you'd see Silva body surf Kongo for 3 minutes doing nothing. Good thing Gonzaga won, or the outcry would be unbearable.
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Post #6 4/22/07 10:16:02AM
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warglory
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See, I initially thought it was a bad call too, but it seems like they were at a stalemate at the end. It was a little early to tand them up, but yeah...
Last edited 4/22/07 10:43AM by warglory
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Post #7 4/22/07 10:19:45AM
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illkornstar
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the best example of them protecting a fighter is in the swick/okami fight, that fight should have been stopped, but if swick was doing the pounding then they would have stopped it. i never really believed that they proctected certain fighters until i seen this. they gave swick way to long and okami not enough, total bullshit.
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Post #8 4/22/07 10:47:29AM
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Posted by illkornstar
the best example of them protecting a fighter is in the swick/okami fight, that fight should have been stopped, but if swick was doing the pounding then they would have stopped it. i never really believed that they proctected certain fighters until i seen this. they gave swick way to long and okami not enough, total bullshit.
QFT, I was thinking the exact same thing during that fight
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Post #9 4/22/07 12:01:37PM
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Kazmierz21
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Posted by Ydoc
This is very true. If you watched Silva vs Kongo you'd see Silva body surf Kongo for 3 minutes doing nothing. Good thing Gonzaga won, or the outcry would be unbearable.
Great point - what is the standard here? If they let the Kongo fight go that long on the ground with neither dude doing much why stand up CroCop in the middle of an elbow barrage?
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Post #10 4/22/07 12:23:46PM
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Kisame
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The Stand-up does need to have set rule, rather than referee judgement as that stand-up was ridiculous.
Maybe if 2/3 judges call for a stand up for lack of scoring they signal for the stand up?
I think that would be the best way.
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Post #11 4/22/07 4:03:01PM
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rcg916
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Posted by illkornstar
the best example of them protecting a fighter is in the swick/okami fight, that fight should have been stopped, but if swick was doing the pounding then they would have stopped it. i never really believed that they proctected certain fighters until i seen this. they gave swick way to long and okami not enough, total bullshit.
BINGO! Thought the same thing. If Swick were on top, a few shots wouldve ended it... Since it was Okami, Swick took nearly 90 seconds of unanswered, undefended blows with no ref interraction.... Lame.
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Post #12 4/22/07 6:11:57PM
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pv3Hpv3p
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Posted by Kazmierz21
Posted by Ydoc
This is very true. If you watched Silva vs Kongo you'd see Silva body surf Kongo for 3 minutes doing nothing. Good thing Gonzaga won, or the outcry would be unbearable.
Great point - what is the standard here? If they let the Kongo fight go that long on the ground with neither dude doing much why stand up CroCop in the middle of an elbow barrage?
How was CroCop suppossed to get the HL KO, if he's getting dominated on theh ground??? Of course you had to stand them up!!!
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Post #13 4/22/07 11:11:56PM
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flyingkneebar
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I agree that this lack of standard is frustrating. EleteXC introduced an attempt at a solution with their standup clock. If there is no action on the ground the ref gives the fighters a warning and then starts the clock. If there is no action before the clock runs out, the fighters are stood up. While I dont feel this is the best answer, it is the best attempt I have seen to date.
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Post #14 4/23/07 2:27:33AM
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Hammer of the Gods
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I was just about to mention that myself. I think this is always going to be a problem though, and has been since the beginning of the sport, and that 2/3 judge idea is very good. They use something similar in Olympic boxing where 3/5 judges have to score a strike before its counted. Having a buzzer that goes off when two judges have deemed its been on the ground too long would be a solution, but people have accused judges of being in on this before as well.
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Post #15 4/23/07 2:35:00AM
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