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If you think Jose Aldo is pound-for-pound king, Dana White thinks you're (expletive) nuts

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Posted by Jackelope

Most notably I tend to value sustained dominance over an opponent as greater than getting clipped. For instance- GSP getting clipped and eventually KO'd within the span of a few seconds vs. Silva getting beat on for 4.5 rds. To me one shows that somebody threw a good shot (which is inevitable with 4 oz gloves) and the other shows that somebody had a fighter's style and weaknesses figured out.



On the flipside, it shows me that Anderson Silva's able to find finishes in a split second whereas GSP needs a good measure of time to be able to find a way to win against his opponent. It's like the difference between being shot by a bullet and suffocated by a pillow. (If the two fought, I think GSP would pick up rounds while everybody would watch to see if and when Anderson Silva lands that killshot that makes the Canadian's work nothing more than a fascinating afterthought.)

Opinions over how both opponents win aside, Anderson Silva's streaking in a way that's unprecedented in the sport as a champion and has a very notable win over a decorated opponent at a weight class he does not usually fight at. That's why the Matt Serra fight still matters (in this particular discussion) so many years later.

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Post #16   10/5/10 8:10:45PM   

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most of you are (expletive) nuts

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I planned on coming in here and defending Anderson (and YES, he's my favorite fight AND he's my avatar...sue me)

But I don't even know where to start. It's astonishing to me that a guy who has shattered so many UFC records it's rediculous can be sold short by so many people....

It absolutely baffles me how people can recognize anyone BUT silva as the P4P best. Sounds like we have too many Chael sonnen and GSP fans in this thread.

I aint trippin. Wait until he gets his next 1st round KO (ala Forrest) and people will jump right back on that band wagon.

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It absolutely baffles me how people can recognize anyone BUT silva as the P4P best. Sounds like we have too many Chael sonnen and GSP fans in this thread.


Actually, it "sounds like" the "P4P best" argument is an ongoing, neverending argument due to the fact that different people base their views and opinions on different things (whether they're nuthuggers or not, as demonstrated in this very thread) that will never and *can* never be settled since it's such a subjective argument.

And no, you'll never catch me on that bandwagon. In fact, I doubt I'll ever root for the guy again, period.

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Post #19   10/6/10 9:12:34AM   

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Posted by emfleek


Posted by postman

#1 GSP show me his holes.






PROPS

Edit: Oops gotta spread the lurve. I.O.U.

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Post #20   10/6/10 10:29:16AM   

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Posted by emfleek


It absolutely baffles me how people can recognize anyone BUT silva as the P4P best. Sounds like we have too many Chael sonnen and GSP fans in this thread.


Actually, it "sounds like" the "P4P best" argument is an ongoing, neverending argument due to the fact that different people base their views and opinions on different things (whether they're nuthuggers or not, as demonstrated in this very thread) that will never and *can* never be settled since it's such a subjective argument.

And no, you'll never catch me on that bandwagon. In fact, I doubt I'll ever root for the guy again, period.



You've earned those 20 props right back my friend.

Once Anderson Silva starts actually fighting again I'll hear arguments for his #1 p4p status. For right now I just can't see ranking a dancer as #1 p4p

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anderson is still #1 the chael fight is N/A Silva knew he juiced if everyone eles in Zuffa did did u see the way Anderson snubbed Dana after the fight he knew

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Now thats just ridiculous. If Anderson is a dancer then GSP is a gay porn star. Both have done little to wow anybody except silvas miracle finish. Ijust dont understand how people rather watch GSP lay on dan hardy for 5rounds over anderson taunting maia. Ijust dont get it. Andersons just that much better then Maia he could play around and embarass him. Where GSP just showed he can lay on somebody. Silvas alot like ali and roy jones hes an entertainer too. Silvas been dominant for 4 years now to GSPS 2. Anderson finishes fights. Anderson has a LHW win thus making an even bigger claim. Styles make fights so if people are going to love on gsp for hugging a man down for 25 minutes then whats the big deal if anderson keeps his distance against lethal grapplers. Some people claim to be diehard mma fans but there just as bad as the casual bloodthirsty idiots when they expect silva to be all aggressive against maia who could tear ur head off if they could get ahold of it. Its all gameplan.

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this one is not that hard. anderson is number 1 p4p. while it can be argued that there are other guys with a similar, or possibly higher, level of competition, nearly all of them have lost more recently than anderson silva ie gsp, fedor. not to mention anderson has won at different weight classes, and has a better finish ratio than his p4p rivals.
aldo is a way off silva in terms of quantity of quality opposition, but everything else is in check so he should be considered a "close but no cigar" at this stage imo.

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Posted by Jackelope


First of all- I even said in the comment that I dislike GSP ... so






I don't think we can be friends anymore.


And this argument has been done to death 10 times over. We all know that Kimbo is still P4P #1.

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I agree with Dana. There isn't nearly enough depth at these weight classes for the fighters to be anywhere close to the top of a P4P list.

I've said it a million times, competition breeds competition, these guys weigh 145 pounds and their speed and agility is often mistaken for technical skill. There aren't enough fighters at 145 to create the level of competition necessary to test someone on a level equivalent to the highest level fights at the more common weight classes.

I am always blown away that whoever holds the belt at 145 is just automatically in the top 5 p4p all of the time no matter what. The way these guys are replacing other should be clear evidence that they are not anywhere near the top of the P4P ladder. First Urijah was a p4p top5, then Mike Brown, now Jose Aldo. Whoever beats Jose will eventually take his place.

Makes no sense at all to me. How much competition is there at 145? It's just not possible for them to be at the same level as the guys who are being drawn from a talent pool 10 times the size. It isn't realistic.

These are great fighters but #1 p4p? No chance. Who do you need to beat to get into title contention at 145? Virtually no one. It's not like the other divisions where you need to work your way through a top 10 filled with olympians and world champions of other individual sports.

They're good fighters but let's be realistic. A larger talent pool means a higher overall level of talent, it's really just that simple. The talent pool at 145 is not comparable to those in the higher weight classes.

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