Ryan Bader vs. Jon Jones Targeted For UFC 127 |
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Bloodhound
Standup Guy
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Season: 21-3 (#151)
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should be interesting this is the first fight Jon Jones will have where he may be tested, I'm split on this fight.
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Post #16 10/2/10 11:16:35PM
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billfold9
MMA Regular
Career record: 594-454
Season: 20-4 (#475)
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Bones/Bader winner vs Rampage/Machida winner 4 title shot!!
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Post #17 10/3/10 12:07:08AM
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Chael_Sonnen
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Posted by SamPan
I would be surprised if Bader made it out of Rd 1. Even though he's young, I think Jones would beat anyone in the LHW division.
Well said....totally agree. It's only a matter of time until Bones is crowned 205 Champ.
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Post #18 10/3/10 12:43:40AM
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wrona666
In Full Mount
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I think that the UFC thought that Lil Nog would win that fight and hoped to see LIL Nog and Jones which is a much better fight IMO, but Bader took Nog out so there you go...........
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Post #19 10/3/10 1:09:34AM
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FastKnockout
Heavyweight Champ
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Season: 16-8 (#1027)
Location: Mississippi
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DAMN! I was hoping this fight wouldn't happen any time soon. Bader and Jones are my 2nd and 3rd favorites, and I don't want to see either of them lose at this point in their careers.
If I had to choose, I'll be pulling for Bader, but I honestly think Bones will win in devastating fasion. 
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Post #20 10/3/10 1:24:56AM
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seanfu
BANNED
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Bader is way strong early on but he's so big. By the mid second he'll be too tired to avoid Jones punches.
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Post #21 10/3/10 3:21:32AM
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MMA Sensei
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Season: 8-3 (#1719)
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bader wont go for the takedown, he'll get triangle choked from 3 states over
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Post #22 10/3/10 5:30:50AM
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Jiu_Boxu
Learning to Sprawl
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Posted by bjj1605
Jones will blow through him. This is a fun fight to have but dumb from a business perspective.
Both guys are relatively untested (compared to former champs and vets) so one beating the other doesn't prove much. In other words, one or the other might not be as good as we think. Also, you're going to derail one of your rising stars.
Forrest Griffin or Rampage would be a better match-up for either.
On the flip though... if they gave either of them a gatekeeper fight they'd still be looking towards this match-up. Rampage is still a contender in his own right, so despite HOW GOOD Jones & Bader are the fight is slightly beneath him since they're on the climb...
Griffin would probably get dominated in a testing fashion, which is great in terms of experience for either of 'em but still leaves them where they are now... verging contenders.
Machida beats Page, Shogun beats Rashad then maybe Jones/Bader take on Lyoto for #1 contender... anyone else is a light pretender to the belt IMO and with the division so stacked at the top end we don't need ballast fights.
Bader takes it in heart-breaking fashion too... WAR SUN DOGS!!!
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Post #23 10/3/10 6:48:22AM
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brutalbones
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Posted by postman
Stupid fight Bader has nothing for Jones. Dumb to derail a prospect to push another.
This.
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Post #24 10/3/10 8:17:00AM
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icantthinkofanything
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Shogun still has to heal and defend his title vs Rashad next year. I think this is a good fight eventhough its 2 prospects, because there is a lot of time to kill for Shogun to get back. Rampage- machida winner could go against Jones -Bader winner/ It would be even better to have it reversed Machida vs Jones, Bader vs Rampage, but Machida fight is scheduled already.
Jones will destroy Bader in my opinion. Jones is much different now than he was vs Bonnar. Jones is the real deal. It may be harder to take bader down, but Jones has such a long reach, and no one can defend those throws (so far).
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Post #25 10/3/10 2:13:42PM
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MODulation
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This is way too long for Jones to be on the shelf. No reason to make him sit for this long just to get the match with Bader.
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Post #26 10/3/10 2:32:16PM
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Tyzzler
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Posted by Giant_Ochai
If so many of you hate this fight but also think Jones wins easily what sense does it make to baby Bader so he can keep his shiny record?
This
Bader needs to be given a fight that he can't just depend solely on his wrestling for. Yes he has a heavy right hand but that probably fits in about 5% of his gameplan going into a fight.
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Post #27 10/3/10 9:14:44PM
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Rush
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Posted by bjj1605
Both guys are relatively untested (compared to former champs and vets) so one beating the other doesn't prove much. In other words, one or the other might not be as good as we think. Also, you're going to derail one of your rising stars.
It didn't happen with Maynard and Edgar, now they are fighting for the title.
I think it is a fight that needs to happen in a division where the number one contender is not really set in stone.
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Post #28 10/3/10 10:35:26PM
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bjj1605
MMA Sensei
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Posted by Jiu_Boxu
Posted by bjj1605
Jones will blow through him. This is a fun fight to have but dumb from a business perspective.
Both guys are relatively untested (compared to former champs and vets) so one beating the other doesn't prove much. In other words, one or the other might not be as good as we think. Also, you're going to derail one of your rising stars.
Forrest Griffin or Rampage would be a better match-up for either.
On the flip though... if they gave either of them a gatekeeper fight they'd still be looking towards this match-up. Rampage is still a contender in his own right, so despite HOW GOOD Jones & Bader are the fight is slightly beneath him since they're on the climb...
Griffin would probably get dominated in a testing fashion, which is great in terms of experience for either of 'em but still leaves them where they are now... verging contenders.
Machida beats Page, Shogun beats Rashad then maybe Jones/Bader take on Lyoto for #1 contender... anyone else is a light pretender to the belt IMO and with the division so stacked at the top end we don't need ballast fights.
Bader takes it in heart-breaking fashion too... WAR SUN DOGS!!!
I'm really not sure where you're coming from. Rampage is a proven vet and former champ. A win over him would be a much bigger deal than a win over Bader or Jones. They may be "on the climb" but Rampage has already climbed the mountain and set up camp.
Posted by wrona666 I think that the UFC thought that Lil Nog would win that fight and hoped to see LIL Nog and Jones which is a much better fight IMO, but Bader took Nog out so there you go...........
Bader eeked out a decision, probably a bad decision, I think it's an overstatement to say he "took Nog out."
I do agree though that Nog would have been a much better fight for Jon Jones.
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Post #29 10/4/10 2:19:55AM
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Jiu_Boxu
Learning to Sprawl
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Posted by bjj1605
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Posted by bjj1605
Jones will blow through him. This is a fun fight to have but dumb from a business perspective.
Both guys are relatively untested (compared to former champs and vets) so one beating the other doesn't prove much. In other words, one or the other might not be as good as we think. Also, you're going to derail one of your rising stars.
Forrest Griffin or Rampage would be a better match-up for either.
On the flip though... if they gave either of them a gatekeeper fight they'd still be looking towards this match-up. Rampage is still a contender in his own right, so despite HOW GOOD Jones & Bader are the fight is slightly beneath him since they're on the climb...
Griffin would probably get dominated in a testing fashion, which is great in terms of experience for either of 'em but still leaves them where they are now... verging contenders.
Machida beats Page, Shogun beats Rashad then maybe Jones/Bader take on Lyoto for #1 contender... anyone else is a light pretender to the belt IMO and with the division so stacked at the top end we don't need ballast fights.
Bader takes it in heart-breaking fashion too... WAR SUN DOGS!!!
I'm really not sure where you're coming from. Rampage is a proven vet and former champ. A win over him would be a much bigger deal than a win over Bader or Jones. They may be "on the climb" but Rampage has already climbed the mountain and set up camp.
You misinterpreted. People are saying this is a wasted fight for Jones & it halts Bader dead, but I still don't see any other feasible fights for them... to match-up with either of them is below Rampage because like you say he's former champ and massively established fighter, and like I said Jones & Bader are still on the climb
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Post #30 10/6/10 8:12:23AM
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