Chael Sonnen Believes 'the Party Ain't Over Yet' |
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Following his heart-breaking loss to Anderson Silva Saturday night, Chael Sonnen made it very clear at the post-fight press conference that he wanted an immediate rematch against Silva.
That wasn't just his emotions talking. Sonnen obviously thinks he has what it takes to beat the middleweight champion, and his manager, Mike Roberts, backed up his client on Monday's edition of The MMA Hour.
Roberts said that both he and Sonnen met with the UFC Monday to talk about what's next for Sonnen, and in that meeting, Sonnen let it be known that he is ready to dance again with "The Spider."
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Post #1 8/12/10 9:02:35AM
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Lazerface
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Sorry Chael-you lost. The fight wasn't a close decision, it didn't end because of a bad call or a cut(doctor stoppage), you gave up by tapping out..........They're is no way he should get an immediate rematch. He needs to fight at least 2 contenders before he gets his shot again.....It's obvious that he has a problem being submitted-looking at his record-He's got like 11 losses-and like 9 of them are by submission(most of them by triangle). Go back to Team Quest and work on your submission defense........There's no way they give this guy an immediate rematch. Ya can't give up in a title fight and then demand a immediate rematch!!!! I hate that guy..............
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Post #2 8/12/10 10:14:12AM
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Posted by Lazerface
Sorry Chael-you lost. The fight wasn't a close decision, it didn't end because of a bad call or a cut(doctor stoppage), you gave up by tapping out..........They're is no way this clown should get an immediate rematch. He needs to fight at least 2 contenders before he gets his shot again.....It's obvious that he has a problem being submitted-looking at his record-He's got like 11 losses-and like 9 of them are by submission(most of them by triangle). Go back to Team Quest and work on your submission defense........There's no way they give this guy an immediate rematch. Ya can't give up in a title fight and then demand a immediate rematch!!!! I hate that guy..............
You nailed it. I think Chael believes since BJ and Shogun got rematches he deserves one also. The point is they were CLOSE decision and he lost. The people who wanna see a rematch just wanna see Anderson lose and if that's the case let Anderson fight Vitor. Don't waist our time on a rematch involving Sonnen. Fight another fight or two and then come back and win if you can.
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Post #3 8/12/10 11:15:27AM
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machodog76
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I like how he's upset that Silva mentioned his rib injury, after all the disrespectfull crap he said leading up to the fight I don't think He has much room to be offended by anything Anderson says. As for a rematch I think Cote has a better case (still not a good one though) get in line Ya brazilian tapper.
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Post #4 8/12/10 1:53:00PM
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dont know what you guys are thinking but the fact is he was less then 2 minutes from beating the so called best pound for pound fighter in the world,he won every rd clearly and he's on a crazy winning streak beating the top 185 guys in the world and yes he has 10 loses or so but mma is a sport you learn new things as you go and well from what i've seen fron chael is he has improved greatly,the spider won the fight hands down great fighters find a way to win and he did but i give chael all the respect in the world,remember all the **** talking is him just selling the fight
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Post #5 8/12/10 2:01:50PM
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Lazerface
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Posted by Edwards
dont know what you guys are thinking but the fact is he was less then 2 minutes from beating the so called best pound for pound fighter in the world,he won every rd clearly and he's on a crazy winning streak beating the top 185 guys in the world and yes he has 10 loses or so but mma is a sport you learn new things as you go and well from what i've seen fron chael is he has improved greatly,the spider won the fight hands down great fighters find a way to win and he did but i give chael all the respect in the world,remember all the **** talking is him just selling the fight
Coulda of, Should of, Would of..............And what's this crazy "winning streak" your talkin about???? You seem to forget he lost to Maia (by submission, mind you) right before he fought Nate. He was doing the samething to Damien and got triangle choked!!! Again!!!! And a couple fights before that Paulo Filho armbar'ed him in the WEC!!!! Dude c'mon..........And up top you say "mma is a sport you learn new things"--what are u trying to say?? He's got almost 40 fights dude!!! Submissions are something that should not be new to him......He even said himself he doesn't practice BJJ at all.......These people can sit here all day long and say "he won all four rounds" or "dude he dominated him" but in the end he blew it. He gave up and lost. period. Your Welcome :)
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Post #6 8/12/10 2:17:17PM
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We're in Lodi, bitch!
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Post #7 8/12/10 2:53:55PM
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mma is a sport you learn news things everytime out so if you dont know that i question your knowledge of mma,a few loses in a few years to top 185ers i called that a pretty good win streak,you're making your opion on hate towards chael,i been watching the spider since his early days and i have never seen anybody put him in deep water like that,yes the spider won and that only says to how great he really his,thats all i have to say on this topic because i know some people on this site can't handle being wrong and dont want to get myself in troube and welcome for what a 1 sided mind lol
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Post #8 8/12/10 2:55:28PM
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We're in Lodi, bitch!
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I'm copy and pasting a solid post from a member in another thread.
Take a gander at this list, for a moment:
- Demian Maia
- Paulo Filho
- Jeremy Horn
- Renato Sobral
Those are the four fighters - four - to defeat Chael Sonnen with a submission in the last seven years. That's 28 fights. Those four fighters have 91 out of 154 victories by submission. That's 59%, or a .591 average, if you prefer. Maia and Filho are Top-10 Middleweights known - by almost everybody - for being dangerous submission fighters, even by the standard of top-level MMA*. Did you see Maia's submission of Sonnen? It was one of the best I've ever seen, and I think I've watched more than 1,000 pro fights by now.
Here's another list:
- Nate Marquardt
- Dan Miller
- Alexei Oleinik
- Tim Credeur
- Trevor Prangley
Those five guys have 62 out of 101 wins by submission. That's 61%, or .614. Those guys were unable to submit Chael "no sub defense" Sonnen. A few of them were unable to do much of anything at all to him, in fact. You could add Filho's name to this list too, if you wanted, since he and Sonnen split a two-fight series.
Chael Sonnen has very good submission defense and Anderson Silva has very good jiu-jitsu (something else a lot of us knew already).
* Actually, they're both accomplished in jiu-jitsu and submission grappling too. They both placed 2nd in CBJJ competitions, and Maia is a former ADCC champion.
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Post #9 8/12/10 2:58:56PM
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Posted by Lazerface
Coulda of, Should of, Would of..............And what's this crazy "winning streak" your talkin about???? You seem to forget he lost to Maia (by submission, mind you) right before he fought Nate. He was doing the samething to Damien and got triangle choked!!! Again!!!! And a couple fights before that Paulo Filho armbar'ed him in the WEC!!!! Dude c'mon..........And up top you say "mma is a sport you learn new things"--what are u trying to say?? He's got almost 40 fights dude!!! Submissions are something that should not be new to him......He even said himself he doesn't practice BJJ at all.......To me he's garbage--and these people can sit here all day long and say "he won all four rounds" or "dude he dominated him" but in the end he blew it. He gave up and lost. period. Your Welcome :)
This post is beyond ridiculous. First off, Chael is a wrestler. If he's going to lose a fight, it's most likely going to be by submission. Wrestlers actively trying to finish a fight are susceptible to being submitted.
Also, Maia and Filho are WORLD class in BJJ. Silva trains with two of the best in the world as well. It's not like he got f*cking submitted by Goulet. Pound for pound greats should NOT get dominated like that for 4 rounds. THAT is why Chael is asking for a rematch.
He believes, and there's no reason to believe he can't, that he can win this fight. He came with in two minutes of winning this fight no worse than 50-45 on every score card. I wouldn't be shocked if there was a 50-44 or two thrown in there. That shouldn't happen against the P4P #1 fighter in the world.
I think it's funny that the same people who are calling Chael trash and that he should move on are the same people who want a Fedor-Werdum rematch.
Seanfu is right. Some of you fans TRULY have the memory of a goldfish.
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Post #10 8/12/10 2:59:50PM
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Posted by Lazerface
Sorry Chael-you lost. The fight wasn't a close decision, it didn't end because of a bad call or a cut(doctor stoppage), you gave up by tapping out..........They're is no way this clown should get an immediate rematch. He needs to fight at least 2 contenders before he gets his shot again.....It's obvious that he has a problem being submitted-looking at his record-He's got like 11 losses-and like 9 of them are by submission(most of them by triangle). Go back to Team Quest and work on your submission defense........There's no way they give this guy an immediate rematch. Ya can't give up in a title fight and then demand a immediate rematch!!!! I hate that guy..............
I dont want to be a nag but Ive been banned for less than this! Fight wasnt close? Wow! Im just walking away on this one.
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Post #11 8/12/10 4:04:08PM
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BustedKnuckle
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In no way should Chael or anyone IMO get an imeadiate rematch. You lose, you lose. Accept it!! Move on and smash the next guy to get back to a title fight!! Situations like the Wyman/Danzig fight are the only exemptions!!
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Post #12 8/12/10 4:59:03PM
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One thing in the UFC that I cant say I have ever complained about is Joe Silva
the majority of his matchmaking is formidable
consider some of the competing companies matchmaking from now or the past
If Joe Silva feels he wants to do the rematch I am ok with that
I hear people say let Vitor have his chance, well if we are talking about being deserving I don't think Vitor fits this bill nearly as close as Chael does.
Vitor won 1 catchweight fight, my personal opinion would rather Vitor fight next but that's me being more of a Vitor fan it has nothing to do with who the real number 1 contender should be
All I want is someone to take the belt from Andy and here is the reason
I cant stand his manager I am tired of Ed's comments specially when he starts talking who should and should not get to fight his guys
Like it or not Ed inherits a certain amount of lets call it power or talk time while Silva is champ.
He really spouted off when he had two title holders, I really just want Soares to go away
Also it is my opinion that in Chael's loss he still accomplished something and that will be to take Silva down a few pegs, I am hopefully it will make Silva a more humble fighter again. As a fan of MMA I would be thankful for that too
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Post #13 8/12/10 7:35:50PM
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Posted by BustedKnuckle
In no way should Chael or anyone IMO get an imeadiate rematch. You lose, you lose. Accept it!! Move on and smash the next guy to get back to a title fight!! Situations like the Wyman/Danzig fight are the only exemptions!!
If that were the case, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The fact that he did in fact dominate Anderson for four round(possibly two of which being 10-8), is the reason as mentioned above.
He may in fact get that rematch, because it sounds like Vitor doesn't want to wait around, and I could see them doing a match between the two for the next shot at Anderson, in the middle of next year. I don't see them having rematches with Marquardt, Maia or Okami.
In my opinion, if I was Dana, or Joe Silva for that matter, I would definitely consider a rematch, just from a business standpoint. Think about it? Has anyone sold a fight as well as Sonnen, in the past few years? Has there been this bad of blood, aside from maybe Hughes-Serra, in a fight? Has anyone, ANYONE, in the UFC been that close to beating Anderson, let alone dominating him for 23 minutes?
It just seems like simple business sense to me. Vitor has an established name among most of the MMA fanbase, but to be honest in America, among sports fans, I really don't know if his name holds much water. I think he needs a couple more fights to gear up for a title shot, and to build his name up. Plus, who wants to see a rusty Vitor fight for the title? I think fully healthy, he beats Anderson.
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Post #14 8/12/10 9:56:30PM
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IMO, Chael gave everything he had in that fight and it wasn't good enough. Rematch or not I don't see him beating Anderson.
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Post #15 8/12/10 10:00:33PM
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