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The days of Ultimate Fighting Championships competitors saying they won't fight their teammates may be over.

Following the recently concluded UFC 111 event, main-card winner Jon Fitch and UFC president Dana White had a brief exchange about the topic in which the promoter chided the welterweight contender for saying he won't fight teammate and fellow title hopeful Josh Koscheck.

After the formal press setting, White made a more definitive statement.

"It's over man," White said. "This whole 'we won't fight each other' thing is over. How long can they go on when they have two of the top guys in the division and they won't fight each other?

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Post #1   4/5/10 1:26:02AM   

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I personally think Dana needs to get off his high horse on this one and just let it be. Teammates obviously don;t wanna fight because they train together and help each other out. This isn;t the WWE, this is real life and when you train everyday with a guy you tend to pickup each others styles and are also usually too tight of friends to want to fight. Getting onto the Ultimate Fighter or into the UFC is one thing, but these guy are already there.

There are plenty of matchups that can happen besides Fitch vs. Kos

FItch vs. Alves 2 still needs to happen, Kos vs. Alves 2 can happen since Kos took the fight on short notice, let's not forget Dan Hardy is still in the mix and would be an interesting matchup against either Kos or Fitch, esp Kos b/c of the deserving the title shot bs. Kos could also rematch Paulo Thiago and Martin Kampmann and Paul Daley are also around in the mix.

I don't understand Dana's obsession with wanting these guys to fight so badly, sure they are top guys and it makes for an interesting matchup, but there are so many matchups at WW that can happen and sell.

Post #2   4/5/10 1:31:50AM   

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Posted by xdanish020

I don't understand Dana's obsession with wanting these guys to fight so badly, sure they are top guys and it makes for an interesting matchup, but there are so many matchups at WW that can happen and sell.



Dana White thinks green. I think he has a valid argument, in that a lot of fans are enticed by the idea of some fights that would match up teammate vs. teammate, like a Koscheck vs. Fitch, Nogueira vs. Dos Santos, Silva vs. Machida, or one day a Jon Jones vs. Rashad Evans. All those fights interest me as a fan, and White's bottom line is drawing in people to his events. If Dana got his way on this major one, it would make it more difficult for other fighters to decline fights based on friendship.

I think the fighters have a more complete argument though. A training camp is meant to provide a friendly atmosphere, and when fighters are set to compete against each other, it could facilitate a change for the worse in the dynamic of training. Fighters may even stop training together altogether, and a training camp that has worked for the best (as AKA obviously has) could easily suffer. Sorry, Dana, but let fighters pick their friends, and there are plenty of interesting matchups left over for the AKA boys. Let Koscheck and Fitch remain friends.

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I hate that Dana is pressing this issue so harshly. It seems more like a personal vendetta against AKA than it does any kind of legitimate business stance.

Anyone who is anyone knows there are plenty of match ups out there. Why isn't he bringing up the fact that Xtreme Couture has so many lightweight fighters? Why isn't he bringing up black house? Why isn't he bringing up ATT match ups? How about Jackson's boys? IMO and judging from what I've seen Dana hasn't given anybody any reason to believe this is anything more than some petty squabble he's having with the AKA boys and a desire for Dana White to put more money into the pocket of Dana White and Co.


"Yeah, that'll make a lot of money," White sarcastically said.


^^ That quote right there shows that bottom line it's all about money and their friendship be damned. Congratulations, Dana- you want your money. So much that you're willing to force two good friends into a position where they have to risk breaking up their friendship. That's flat out despicable IMO. The day I choose money over my friends is the day I might as well cease to exist. The day I force my employees to break up their friendships is the same.

I swear I've come around on Dana quite a bit the last couple of years but this right here puts him right back in the dumper for me. It's just ridiculous money worshiping crap. What kind of a world do we live in where something honorable like a friendship should be thrown into the trash heap if it's in the way of money??

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I'm making another post for this topic which is a little off the road- Fair warning here I'm getting on a moral high horse for this one. So don't read if you don't want to see it. (Which I would totally understand)

To me it's crap like this that has put our society into the position it is currently in. Where morals and ethics are thrown out the window in lieu of a money making opportunity. These two guys have bonded through a common cause that has put them through physical and emotional torture. From that hardship has been forged a great friendship that resists the temptation of money and even unites them further in a common cause against an unstoppable billion dollar machine bearing down their backsides that tells them if they do not give in it will not only take their money in the short run but it will ruin their careers in the long run. That is the meaning of a friendship. That is the meaning of a team. Anybody who doesn't think MMA is a team sport needs to take a step back and look at that. If that doesn't show what teamwork and friendship is then I don't know what does.

And yet our society (thanks to lawyers and fine print) allows that billion dollar company to force either these two men to fight or to cut them because they won't. Effectively ruining their careers.

To me there is absolutely no difference on a moral ground between Dana forcing that and these corporate assholes who laughed and clutched their precious money while they ripped the financial heart from America. It's just flat out money worshiping, greedy, vain, despicable business practice.

I love capitalism and I love the fact that thanks to capitalism AKA at least has the option of seeking success elsewhere (Strikeforce) but I hate the fact that we're operating under a capitalist model that allows a company like the UFC to have such a ridiculous upper hand that they can force a scenario like this. Even more than that I should say that I just hate the fact that no matter the model of market- whether socialist or capitalist or whatever you want, it's always human greed, vanity, or just flat out evil that causes everything to go wrong.

I could go on for days but I'll just stop there.

Post #5   4/5/10 2:26:45AM   

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If they dont want to fight each other send em packing, you have guys willing to relocate a good friends nose just to get in a house for a CHANCE to fight in the UFC. They dont want to fight, see ya. Its not like you're going in to a knife fight, put on the gloves, nut up, and shut up.

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Now its stuff like this that I could see SF getting alot of talent from the UFC. Heres a great fight for you Nick Diaz vs Jake Sheilds but you never hear about that and the SF talent pool is much smaller then the UFC's. Why would anyone want to watch Jon Fitch Fight Kos if neither wants to fight? I hope if he makes this fight happen they just paw at each other for 3 rounds never attempt a td and simply move around and cover light shots. Then What Dana drop 2 of your top WW? Feeding SF?

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AKA has three of the top guys at WW, and they gang up on the rest of the division, a much weaker division if you take the three of them of the board. At one point all three of them claimed to be the top contender, it's a joke, how can you be the top contender if you don't fight the top contender.

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DW thinks this is his decision to make. Its not.

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1st. if u claim that ur the best in WW, but u haven't fought the all of the top 10..than u at one point have too..that's the thing we all like bout GSP..he has no teammate in WW, so he can fight everyone in that division..guys like Kos,Fitch and Swick is that they all claim to be the best and that they should get the next shot at GSP..u can claim to be the best, but everyone knows to be the best, u got to fight the best..even if that's ur teammate..that's why i see where dana's comin from..how bad do u really want the belt..would u fight ur teammate?..
2nd. if they don't want to fight each other..than there's always StrikeForce..cause let's face it..the rematch with Kos/Fitch/Alves would probably go down the same way..a lopsided win for GSP..do i think the 2nd match would be any different..no..he'll probably be able to finish 'em this time around..
point in being is that if ur a TRUE competitor u'll face ur teammate..look at the rest of the sport world..NHL and NBA have the Olympic..MLB has World Baseball Classics and they end up playin against their own teammates..

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Its just more Dana bullsh*t.
I'm not against team mate vs team mate fights even a little bit but how the hell is he going to make it happen?
The fighters have the right to refuse the fight and maybe at best get pushed back 2 fights before they are the number 1 contender. Dana can't do anything except say you're passing up a number 1 contender match and moan on twitter.
If the team mates are fine with that then he has absolutely no power over them. If they keep winning he'll have to put them in against the champ.
Long story short this is the part of the UFC Dana has no control over and I think thats why he's so pissed off about it.

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Posted by BeeR

If they dont want to fight each other send em packing, you have guys willing to relocate a good friends nose just to get in a house for a CHANCE to fight in the UFC. They dont want to fight, see ya. Its not like you're going in to a knife fight, put on the gloves, nut up, and shut up.

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"Yeah, that'll make a lot of money," White sarcastically said.


^^ That quote right there shows that bottom line it's all about money and their friendship be damned. Congratulations, Dana- you want your money. So much that you're willing to force two good friends into a position where they have to risk breaking up their friendship. That's flat out despicable IMO. The day I choose money over my friends is the day I might as well cease to exist. The day I force my employees to break up their friendships is the same.

I swear I've come around on Dana quite a bit the last couple of years but this right here puts him right back in the dumper for me. It's just ridiculous money worshiping crap. What kind of a world do we live in where something honorable like a friendship should be thrown into the trash heap if it's in the way of money??


First off, I just have to address one thing. The quote you have there specifically lets you know that he is being sarcastic. That means that when he says "that'll make a lot of money," he isn't being serious. So please don't go off about money using that as a specific example.


I think this sport loves to hate Dana White, because he makes it easy for us to do so. Think about this realistically though. Up until recently, 3 top 5 UFC WW were from the same camp. If they all refused to fight each other, you would never have the exciting fights that make you wonder "who's going to win this one?" Now only Kos and Fitch are top five, but you've still got 3 in the top 10. Eventually they have to decide whether they want to purse the title, or continue being adamant about their friendship. If Fitch won the title today, do you think Kos would be happy being a gatekeeper until Fitch lost it? hell no he wouldn't. He'd fight Fitch as soon as Dana let him, because he wants the title.

This is the same concept, minus the gold.

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I dont think its Dana's decision to make either, its sucks that some friends wont fight, but its totally understandable and just cant be helped. Things will never be the same IMO, after 2 friends have fought. It would just be arkward as hell training with them again and it would just spoil you sessions completely. Am sure when Ross Pearson beat Andre Winner on the TUF final that things have changed a bit between them, like why does Ross not have the rough house coaches in his corner anymore? but Andre does.

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This goes back to if you don't train in a gym with teammates then you wouldn't understand. So you put Fitch and Kos in their who's swick help train for the fight? How do you split your gym to train your fighters? Do you now have to have the gym open twice as long? You can't say they would get equal time at the gym or Swick helps both cause swick has his own life/career going on too. It makes no sense and it will make for a boring fight. Its bad business of AKA as well.

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