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seanfu
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Posted by emfleek
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Yeah, but you gotta realize that Hardy has about the same chances of beating GSP as the Irish Hand Grenade, or Swick, Or Serra.
And the competition that GSP had fought and wrecked in the last 2 years minus Serra would probably all wreck Hardy, and Serra probably has an even fight against Hardy. That is important to remember.
What would Fitch/ BJ/ Alves/ Koscheck all do to him? And what did GSP do to all of them?
I don't care about Hardy's chances of winning and I don't care about any MMAth that can be used in determing who could/would/should beat Hardy. There's a formula and a gameplan for beating EVERY fighter in MMA. Not one fighter on the face of this Earth is invincible.
MMAth oimplys that one of his oponents fought and beat Hardy, I am implying that ALL of hi oponents would beat Hardy, that goes beyond stylistic variables. Hardy is one of,if not,the,weakest opponent GSP has fought in the last 4 or so years.
And as far as his last 2-3 years, Hardy is THE weakest. No GSP nuthuggery here, at least, from me, and I love this fight for the fact that Hardy can do nothing but gain from it so balls out is a good term. But hardy winning this would be almost as unlikely as Serra winning.
Chances are beyond low.
And I think the Playground finally broke Emfleek lol
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Post #16 3/17/10 3:05:31PM
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HATE ON, HATERS!
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Posted by seanfu
Chances are beyond low.
I'm not arguing that. However, a chance is a chance.
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And I think the Playground finally broke Emfleek lol
You could be right.
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Post #17 3/17/10 3:11:37PM
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xdanish020
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Posted by emfleek
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Hardy's trash talk at this point is just starting to get annoying IMO.
No more annoying than those who are trash talking on GSP's behalf.
I'm talking about Hardy's trash talk to GSP, not fans trash talk. Hardy just keeps running his mouth and GSP is not, I understand selling a fight, but imo Hardy is just getting annoying, hence my post. I understand your hatred for a lot of GSP fans, that's pretty much why I don't post on sherdog anymore, but it's not as bad here.
Obviously people are picking GSP to win, he's beaten better fighters than Dan Hardy. It's no secret Hardy is going to try to punch GSP in the face, but that wasn't really a secret w/ BJ Penn or Thiago Alves either and we all saw what happened to both of them (both fighters I think would beat Dan Hardy).
You can't get mad at people for picking GSP to win especially when he is such a huge favor based on Vegas odds. Sure Hardy has a chance, but he likely only has one way to beat Georges. GSP has many ways to beat Dan Hardy.
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Post #18 3/17/10 4:23:22PM
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HATE ON, HATERS!
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Posted by xdanish020
You can't get mad at people for picking GSP to win especially when he is such a huge favor based on Vegas odds. Sure Hardy has a chance, but he likely only has one way to beat Georges. GSP has many ways to beat Dan Hardy.
Again, I'm not annoyed by people picking him to win. I'm annoyed by the fact that I can't open a single thread about this fight without reading numerous "Hardy doesn't stand a chance" posts. And it's not just this fight...it's EVERY GSP fight. According to most people here, GSP isn't going to get beat, period.
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Post #19 3/17/10 4:39:18PM
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BustedKnuckle
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Total disrespect for the gi!? Whatever. Hardy has a decent chance against Georges if the fight remains standing, but I dont see it hapening. GnP all day long. Its not Hardys striking that GSP should be concerned with its his lack of wrestling. TD after TD will win this fight
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Post #20 3/17/10 4:55:52PM
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Wow Hardy's mind games/Trash talk have done a really great job of getting into the head of... all of GSP's fans.
Must spread love but Emfleek hit the nail on the head with his first comment.
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Post #21 3/17/10 5:19:13PM
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bjj1605
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Posted by emfleek
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While certainly not invincible, GSP through his takedowns and ground control basically reduces everyone's gameplan to "land a lucky punch."
Thus the long odds every fight.
I understand that but the end result is the same. "Lucky" punch or not, a win is win.
Don't get me wrong...I'm going to pick GSP to win but I'll be elated if Hardy serves up a slice of humble pie to the GSP fanboys.
I think it's a little messed up that you would hope for a fighter to lose based on what his fans are saying. You may think that the 'nuthuggery' is out of control, but GSP is still a human being. I think he seems like a genuinely good person and he shows a lot of the spirit of traditional martial arts.
Just because some people take their fandom to far doesn't mean you should stop rooting for GSP.
And as far as what Hardy says here, GSP is right. Hardy is a fighter, not a martial artist. There's a difference between the two (as laid out in Forrest Griffin's book 'Got Fight'). That's not to say one is inherently better than the other, it's just a different mind set.
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Post #22 3/17/10 5:29:07PM
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gsp is definitely my favorite fighter overall. love watching him fight. but as far as personalities i definitely put dan in my top 3. the guy is confident and hes good at talking ****. but realistically he only speaks things that he thinks are true. watch his q&a on ufc.com. he is really a very humble and funny guy who just speaks his mind and fears no one. i really dont care who wins this fight because i like both guys so much but im picking gsp to win
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Post #23 3/17/10 5:53:51PM
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Posted by bjj1605
Posted by emfleek
Posted by finnish_line
While certainly not invincible, GSP through his takedowns and ground control basically reduces everyone's gameplan to "land a lucky punch."
Thus the long odds every fight.
I understand that but the end result is the same. "Lucky" punch or not, a win is win.
Don't get me wrong...I'm going to pick GSP to win but I'll be elated if Hardy serves up a slice of humble pie to the GSP fanboys.
I think it's a little messed up that you would hope for a fighter to lose based on what his fans are saying. You may think that the 'nuthuggery' is out of control, but GSP is still a human being. I think he seems like a genuinely good person and he shows a lot of the spirit of traditional martial arts.
Just because some people take their fandom to far doesn't mean you should stop rooting for GSP.
And as far as what Hardy says here, GSP is right. Hardy is a fighter, not a martial artist. There's a difference between the two (as laid out in Forrest Griffin's book 'Got Fight'). That's not to say one is inherently better than the other, it's just a different mind set.
I have to disagree It would be messed up if he said he hopes GSP dies in the cage, but not to lose a fight. He has the right to like or not like a fighter on whatever grounds he wants. The Nut hugging is insane towards GSP. Its obvious that Dan is a huge underdog in this fight, so there is no need for everyone to continue to comment on how GSP is going to dominate the fight. We get it your making the easiest call in sports good for you! (When I say you I mean anyone, not you personally.) As for the Martial artist part HArdy says hes been in Martial arts most his life, unless you have something to prove he hasn't I will take his word for it. I don't think You have to wear a Gi to be a martial artist.
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Post #24 3/17/10 5:59:26PM
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Posted by emfleek
Again, I'm not annoyed by people picking him to win. I'm annoyed by the fact that I can't open a single thread about this fight without reading numerous "Hardy doesn't stand a chance" posts. And it's not just this fight...it's EVERY GSP fight. According to most people here, GSP isn't going to get beat, period.
Isn't that the same as any Fedor thread?
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Post #25 3/17/10 8:12:52PM
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machodog76
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I agree with postman, I think what alot of people are missing here is the fact that GSP was the one to insult Dan in the first place by saying He wasn't a martial artist. I think Dan said he started karate at 6 or 7 and continued into hiis early teens before getting into getting into MMA. So I don't think it's a fair or accurate statement. I thought GSP seemed realy dismissive and almost a little over confident on the all access show,
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Post #26 3/17/10 9:07:19PM
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bjj1605
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I have to disagree It would be messed up if he said he hopes GSP dies in the cage, but not to lose a fight. He has the right to like or not like a fighter on whatever grounds he wants. The Nut hugging is insane towards GSP. Its obvious that Dan is a huge underdog in this fight, so there is no need for everyone to continue to comment on how GSP is going to dominate the fight. We get it your making the easiest call in sports good for you! (When I say you I mean anyone, not you personally.) As for the Martial artist part HArdy says hes been in Martial arts most his life, unless you have something to prove he hasn't I will take his word for it. I don't think You have to wear a Gi to be a martial artist.
I'm not saying he hasn't trained in martial arts his whole life, and if he wants to call himself a martial artist then that's his prerogative. No one should tell him he can't.
But for me, being a martial artist means more than simply training in martial arts. It's a mind set, attitude, and way of life. Martial Artist's respect their opponents and study the art for the arts sake. Dan Hardy (as intriguing of a figure as he might be) comes across as a little immature in my opinion. That's not necessarily a bad thing, he's only like what, 27? But the way he trash talks his opponents and his entire demeanor in the cage makes him a fighter and not a martial artist in my mind.
In my opinion Georges St. Pierre, Lyoto Machida, and Anderson Silva are the best examples of Martial Artists (particularly GSP and Machida).
I understand that people's definitions might differ from mine and I have a very precise idea of what it means to be a martial artist (as opposed to a fighter). Perhaps Georges shares that definition or perhaps he meant it as an insult, who knows?
That's why I mentioned Forrest Griffin's book ('Got Fight') because he has a whole chapter on the difference between a martial artist and a fighter. He considers himself a fighter, by the way. And his definition accords with mine.
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Post #27 3/17/10 10:29:21PM
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postman
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Posted by FlashyG
Posted by emfleek
Again, I'm not annoyed by people picking him to win. I'm annoyed by the fact that I can't open a single thread about this fight without reading numerous "Hardy doesn't stand a chance" posts. And it's not just this fight...it's EVERY GSP fight. According to most people here, GSP isn't going to get beat, period.
Isn't that the same as any Fedor thread?
Oh but no one can beat Fedor lol ! I think people gave AA a shot there might have been some love for big Timmy too. Rodgers wasn't given much of a chance. But you have a point the guys on top get there nuts hugged more then most.
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Post #28 3/17/10 10:30:57PM
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Posted by bjj1605
I have to disagree It would be messed up if he said he hopes GSP dies in the cage, but not to lose a fight. He has the right to like or not like a fighter on whatever grounds he wants. The Nut hugging is insane towards GSP. Its obvious that Dan is a huge underdog in this fight, so there is no need for everyone to continue to comment on how GSP is going to dominate the fight. We get it your making the easiest call in sports good for you! (When I say you I mean anyone, not you personally.) As for the Martial artist part HArdy says hes been in Martial arts most his life, unless you have something to prove he hasn't I will take his word for it. I don't think You have to wear a Gi to be a martial artist.
I'm not saying he hasn't trained in martial arts his whole life, and if he wants to call himself a martial artist then that's his prerogative. No one should tell him he can't.
But for me, being a martial artist means more than simply training in martial arts. It's a mind set, attitude, and way of life. Martial Artist's respect their opponents and study the art for the arts sake. Dan Hardy (as intriguing of a figure as he might be) comes across as a little immature in my opinion. That's not necessarily a bad thing, he's only like what, 27? But the way he trash talks his opponents and his entire demeanor in the cage makes him a fighter and not a martial artist in my mind.
In my opinion Georges St. Pierre, Lyoto Machida, and Anderson Silva are the best examples of Martial Artists (particularly GSP and Machida).
I understand that people's definitions might differ from mine and I have a very precise idea of what it means to be a martial artist (as opposed to a fighter). Perhaps Georges shares that definition or perhaps he meant it as an insult, who knows?
That's why I mentioned Forrest Griffin's book ('Got Fight') because he has a whole chapter on the difference between a martial artist and a fighter. He considers himself a fighter, by the way. And his definition accords with mine.
I can see where you are coming from. The only problem I see is, this is a business and like it or not hype brings the money. Hype helps make the fights interesting. Hell maybe Hardy feels like no one is giving me a chance I need to hype this fight to sell PPVs. Wasn't it GSP who steped into the cage and said "I was not impressed with your performance." Right after Matt Hughes won a fight? I'm not disagreeing with your defination of a martial artist i'm just saying don't look too deep into the hype fighters bring.
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Post #29 3/17/10 10:42:01PM
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bjj1605
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Posted by postman
Posted by bjj1605
I have to disagree It would be messed up if he said he hopes GSP dies in the cage, but not to lose a fight. He has the right to like or not like a fighter on whatever grounds he wants. The Nut hugging is insane towards GSP. Its obvious that Dan is a huge underdog in this fight, so there is no need for everyone to continue to comment on how GSP is going to dominate the fight. We get it your making the easiest call in sports good for you! (When I say you I mean anyone, not you personally.) As for the Martial artist part HArdy says hes been in Martial arts most his life, unless you have something to prove he hasn't I will take his word for it. I don't think You have to wear a Gi to be a martial artist.
I'm not saying he hasn't trained in martial arts his whole life, and if he wants to call himself a martial artist then that's his prerogative. No one should tell him he can't.
But for me, being a martial artist means more than simply training in martial arts. It's a mind set, attitude, and way of life. Martial Artist's respect their opponents and study the art for the arts sake. Dan Hardy (as intriguing of a figure as he might be) comes across as a little immature in my opinion. That's not necessarily a bad thing, he's only like what, 27? But the way he trash talks his opponents and his entire demeanor in the cage makes him a fighter and not a martial artist in my mind.
In my opinion Georges St. Pierre, Lyoto Machida, and Anderson Silva are the best examples of Martial Artists (particularly GSP and Machida).
I understand that people's definitions might differ from mine and I have a very precise idea of what it means to be a martial artist (as opposed to a fighter). Perhaps Georges shares that definition or perhaps he meant it as an insult, who knows?
That's why I mentioned Forrest Griffin's book ('Got Fight') because he has a whole chapter on the difference between a martial artist and a fighter. He considers himself a fighter, by the way. And his definition accords with mine.
I can see where you are coming from. The only problem I see is, this is a business and like it or not hype brings the money. Hype helps make the fights interesting. Hell maybe Hardy feels like no one is giving me a chance I need to hype this fight to sell PPVs. Wasn't it GSP who steped into the cage and said "I was not impressed with your performance." Right after Matt Hughes won a fight? I'm not disagreeing with your defination of a martial artist i'm just saying don't look too deep into the hype fighters bring.
Definitely a valid point. And if you take my definition to the Nth degree the only real martial artists are in Aikdo because they refuse to compete even. Self defense only.
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