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Which boxer(Any Era) would do the best in MMA?
Which boxer(Any Era) would do the best in MMA? |
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casketcoin
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Post #16 3/12/10 4:26:24PM
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decken
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none.
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Post #17 3/12/10 7:44:12PM
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Pookie
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Foreman
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Post #18 3/12/10 10:11:15PM
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State_Champ
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Post #19 3/12/10 11:17:54PM
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karn501
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roy jones jr.
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Post #20 3/13/10 3:38:37PM
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Naturaldisaster
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Without a doubt Tyson would have been a beast in mma.
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Post #21 3/13/10 10:44:26PM
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NatedawgThaM
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I think alot of boxers would do GREAT. I mean think about it, most amazing boxers started boxing at a really young age. Imagine instead of just focusing on boxing if they would have trained MMA at a young age how sick they would be when they got older.
But just throwing a primed boxer into the cage, I'd probably say any aggressive puncher like I would give Ricardo Mayorga a better chance over Din Thomas against Toney against any UFC Heavyweight on any day just because no heavyweight is going to trade punches, if they do their attacking those legs where Mayorga pressing forward gives him a better chance of landing one of those sick punches, one punch and your done. So I'd say guys like mayorga, manny, Cotto, and Marvin Hagler would be pretty hard guys to stop from coming right at you.
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Post #22 3/17/10 9:25:25PM
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shotokansun
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Ali's endurance would have made him a force in MMA, but like so many have pointed out before, imagine getting rocked by Tyson wearing MMA gloves. It's a scary thought.
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Post #23 3/21/10 2:45:17AM
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jarod1005
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If Tyson was trained in MMA in his prime, wow he would without a doubt have caused the first death in the cage. Imagine a punch to the jaw by Tyson with mma gloves..... Thats scary
TheBestEVER said it straight. Any pro boxer would do some serious mayhem against the best MMA fighters. Now, having said that I mean that a pro boxer must take the time to work his ground game the same way that a wrestler, muay thai, or brazilian jiu-jitsu (i.e. Matt Hughes, Anderson Silva, Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Andrei Arlovski, etc.) work their boxing skills with renowned trainers such as Freddie Roach. A boxer would most certainly even the playing field by working in American Top Team or the Miletich camps. They would not need to have black belts in BJJ. Does Lesnar or Carwin have even a white belt? Hell no. Those guys are beasts.
Now imagine a young Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Wladimir & Vitali Klitschko, Tommy Morrison, George Foreman, Micky Ward and Roberto Duran to name a few, with some sprawl and dirty boxing skills. They already know how to "dirty box", it's just that the sport of boxing does not allow the roughhousing tactics. The aforementioed fighters were savages and heavy-handed beasts in the the ring. Those are some big boys with 4 ounce gloves.
When people say that a boxer would not last in MMA, they are always refering to a stand-up boxer without any ground training. Without the ground training, if they hit the floor, it would look similar to when Royce Gracie was defeating everybody back in the early days. When he got his opponent on the ground they did not know how to work their way out of such a tight situation. This is why he beat the heavier opponents such as Shamrock, Kimo and Gordeau, etc. to name a few.
Wrestlers, kickboxers, boxers, and the like, back then, were at a disadvantage when it came to ground fighting.
MMA has evolved into a real sport, and nowadays, there is not a Gracie on the planet who can beat Matt Hughes, Brock Lesnar, or Shane Carwin. These guys know how to sprawl, dirty box, roll, spin, and of course, GROUND 'N POUND! Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a very technical, yet efficient submission art. Wrestlers and boxers are the much more phsically powerful individuals.
If you do not believe me go look at what Carwin did to Gonzaga and Mir; Hughes did to the Gracie cousins; Liddell beat any BJJ, it was the stand-up fighters who have given him the fits his last few fights; of course Lesnar's demolishing of Mir. Silva, Sonnen, Jackson, Edgars, the list goes on.
So yes, just about any boxer would be good as long as he is willing to incorporate a real ground game into his arsenal.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In Vietnam his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well Rambo was the best. - Colonel Trautman
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Post #24 4/21/10 1:19:37PM
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runningman08
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Ray Robinson or Mike Tyson.
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Post #25 4/23/10 6:21:43PM
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fullerene
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The answer is the boxer with the best wrestling background, not the boxer with the best boxing. Any top contender would have had more than enough to beat people with punches, it's a question of whether he could stay on his feet to do it. The older era boxers would have done better than their modern counterparts as a result since they often trained with wrestlers. The pre Marquis de Queensbury rules guys would have done the best since they were allowed to use many wrestling moves in what was then knowm as boxing.
Ali fought in a type of MMA match against pro wrestler Antonio Inoki. Despite making several rules that favored him, Ali got a gift draw.
Kermit Cintron, although not as good a boxer, would have done much better.
Danny Hodge, although not that great a boxer at all, would have done better still.
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Post #26 4/23/10 8:56:28PM
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jarod1005
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Posted by fullerene
The answer is the boxer with the best wrestling background, not the boxer with the best boxing. Any top contender would have had more than enough to beat people with punches, it's a question of whether he could stay on his feet to do it. The older era boxers would have done better than their modern counterparts as a result since they often trained with wrestlers. The pre Marquis de Queensbury rules guys would have done the best since they were allowed to use many wrestling moves in what was then knowm as boxing.
Ali fought in a type of MMA match against pro wrestler Antonio Inoki. Despite making several rules that favored him, Ali got a gift draw.
Kermit Cintron, although not as good a boxer, would have done much better.
Danny Hodge, although not that great a boxer at all, would have done better still.
Correct, they [boxers] would need to train wrestling. However, Matt Hughes, Anderson Silva, Tito Ortiz, for example, have to train boxing, wrestling and jiu-jitsu to make the sport MMA. Just like a boxer does not know ground fighting, the afforementioned are not born with skills in jiu-jitsu, wrestling, etc. They have to train. For example, Matt Hughes is a wrestler first, but he has to train jiu-jitsu and boxing to make himself better.
Like I stated, any (pro) boxer who would devote himself to learn a ground discipline, would have much success in MMA.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In Vietnam his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well Rambo was the best. - Colonel Trautman
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Post #27 4/24/10 1:45:49PM
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higdon10
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Post #28 4/24/10 5:02:20PM
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fullerene
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Posted by jarod1005
Posted by fullerene
The answer is the boxer with the best wrestling background, not the boxer with the best boxing. Any top contender would have had more than enough to beat people with punches, it's a question of whether he could stay on his feet to do it. The older era boxers would have done better than their modern counterparts as a result since they often trained with wrestlers. The pre Marquis de Queensbury rules guys would have done the best since they were allowed to use many wrestling moves in what was then knowm as boxing.
Ali fought in a type of MMA match against pro wrestler Antonio Inoki. Despite making several rules that favored him, Ali got a gift draw.
Kermit Cintron, although not as good a boxer, would have done much better.
Danny Hodge, although not that great a boxer at all, would have done better still.
Correct, they [boxers] would need to train wrestling. However, Matt Hughes, Anderson Silva, Tito Ortiz, for example, have to train boxing, wrestling and jiu-jitsu to make the sport MMA. Just like a boxer does not know ground fighting, the afforementioned are not born with skills in jiu-jitsu, wrestling, etc. They have to train. For example, Matt Hughes is a wrestler first, but he has to train jiu-jitsu and boxing to make himself better.
Like I stated, any (pro) boxer who would devote himself to learn a ground discipline, would have much success in MMA.
Devoting yourself to something does not always equate with being good at it. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people who try to wrestle and make it as far as they can but only a small percentage make it to D1 colleges and only a small group of those progress to All-American of whom only a small percentage make it to the top international ranks, etc. Boxers are tough and have good stamina, but they also tend to be skinny without the balance and musculature that the average wrestler has.
It works both ways. Most wrestlers, regardless of the athleticism and competitive fire they show on the mat, can't get very far in the sport of boxing. In the case of MMA, though, not being able to wrestle well costs you more than not being able to box well.
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Post #29 4/24/10 7:32:45PM
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jarod1005
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Devoting yourself to something does not always equate with being good at it. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people who try to wrestle and make it as far as they can but only a small percentage make it to D1 colleges and only a small group of those progress to All-American of whom only a small percentage make it to the top international ranks, etc. Boxers are tough and have good stamina, but they also tend to be skinny without the balance and musculature that the average wrestler has.
It works both ways. Most wrestlers, regardless of the athleticism and competitive fire they show on the mat, can't get very far in the sport of boxing. In the case of MMA, though, not being able to wrestle well costs you more than not being able to box well.
Again correct, not being able to wrestle will cost you in MMA. Understand that when a pro boxer trains for MMA, his style of fighting will be different. He will no longer be just a pure boxer, albeit, no one in MMA will be able to stand in front of him. Many fighters such as Liddell, Daley, Franklin, Anderson and Jackson like to stand-up mainly. They are very successful when they fight pure-ground fighters.
As far as being skinny, well again, the training will require for them to lift more weights. A boxer does not have to be a collegiate All-American, the same way that Liddell does not have to be a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
People need to stop thinking that if a boxer goes to MMA he is just a boxer. No! He will have to learn another discipline in the same way that if Anderson Silva decided to be a boxer he would have to train with real boxers; Silva already trains with Freddie Roach.
Boxers are already accomplished athletes. If Kimbo Slice can win any fight in MMA, a real pro boxer stands a chance of doing exceptionally well in MMA.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In Vietnam his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well Rambo was the best. - Colonel Trautman
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