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AchillesHeel
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Mass. Approves Double Weigh-ins, Could Change
Wednesday, March 10, 2010
by Jack Encarnacao (jencarnacao@sherdog.com)
The newly formed Massachusetts State Athletic Commission has approved placeholder regulations that limit the number of pounds a fighter can gain between a pre-fight weigh-in and fight night.
Officials stressed the provision, taken from the state’s boxing regulations, could easily change after a forthcoming public hearing and input from medical specialists.
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Post #1 3/11/10 12:00:40PM
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bustin_mma
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Super Dumb.
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Post #2 3/11/10 12:29:58PM
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sbulldavid
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It's not dumb, It's a safety issue and it helps keep a level playing field.
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Post #3 3/11/10 12:43:20PM
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tallica62
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keeps a lvl playing field for all of those except the heavyweight decision...now those guys that cut to make LHW and Middleweight and end up weighing more than the allotted amount on fight night will be forced to fight in the HW division...which means theyd then prob be small HW
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Post #4 3/11/10 12:56:51PM
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chickmagnet
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If you make the weight the day before, you have made weight. What the fighter weighs the day of the fight is no one elses business. Plus, how can you control what you weigh the day of?! I mean these guys just dehydrated their bodies so badly, how do you expect them to monitor their weight?? They have to eat plenty and drink tons of electrolytes and sugars the night after the weigh ins otherwise it could be severely crucial to their body. If I was fighting, Massachussets is the last place I would want to fight due to this. Plus all fighters cut alot of weight. Alves walks around above 200 lbs when he isnt training, as well as Johnson and they fight at 170. I hope this rule is changed, because this is cruel to fighters, they already have to deal with medical, and everything else. This shouldnt be a regulation.
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Post #5 3/11/10 1:02:17PM
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prozacnation1978
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i wonder if ufc will balk and not go to boston
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Post #6 3/11/10 1:07:09PM
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Posted by prozacnation1978
i wonder if ufc will balk and not go to boston
They already abide by a similar rule in North Carolina.
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Post #7 3/11/10 1:09:10PM
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xdanish020
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Posted by emfleek
Posted by prozacnation1978
i wonder if ufc will balk and not go to boston
They already abide by a similar rule in North Carolina.
Ya just don't put Thiago Alves or Anthony Johnson on those cards...lol.
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Post #8 3/11/10 1:52:04PM
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bjj1605
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I think it makes sense. You guys are acting like this means no-one will be able to cut weight anymore, that isn't the case. What this does is ensure that fighters cut with in healthy limits.
And it DOES help level the playing field. I for one don't like seeing mismatches like Anthony Johnson vs Yoshida. Fighting should be about who's more skilled not who's better at cutting weight.
The fighter cannot weigh more than 1.0625 times his initial weight on the second weigh-in. The formula means the higher the weight, the higher the allowable weight gain. For example, a fighter contracted to fight at 135 pounds can’t come in higher than 143.4375 pounds on fight night, 170 pounders cannot exceed 180.625, 205 pounders cannot exceed 217.8125 pounds, etc.
This is really a pretty good rule. If anything they could raise the limit (say from 1.0625 to 1.07). If you're fighting at 170 you should really weigh more than 180 on fight night or you're cutting to much weight.
Take Thiago Alves for example. People always like to say that he walks around at well above 200lbs, but he doesn't fight at above 200lbs. When fighters are out of fighting shape or at least not in a camp, they weigh a lot more. Through out the camp they shed some of that weight. The big cut starts about 6-7 days before the actual fight. The day of or the day before they make the largest cut, and then rehydrate. But by the time they get to the day before they shouldn't be more than ten pounds out anyway.
I know for instance that Jeff Curran (who fights at 135) gets up to about 170 when he's not in camp. Through out the camp he sheds down to about 145. A week before he drops to about 140. And he cuts the last five on weigh in day. So he'd be fine under this rule.
I also just read an article in Ultimate MMA about GSP. He follows the same procedure.
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Post #9 3/11/10 2:13:06PM
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bustin_mma
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It does not level the playing field at all. it handi-caps the better fighters, especially the wrestlers. if you dont like that somone is bigger than you change your weight class and life style. simple as that.
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Post #10 3/11/10 2:24:19PM
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jiujitsufreak74
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this is similar to what is done in amateur wrestling where you weigh in the day of and only have a certain amount of pounds that we can gain before the actual match. i think it has its pros and cons and part of me likes the idea of a more level playing field while the other part of me is hesitant to change.i guess we'll see how this all plays out.
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Post #11 3/11/10 2:44:08PM
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Pookie
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I dont like it personally.
If you cut alot of weight, you pay the price in speed and cardio. And in return you gain a strength advantage.
I think its balanced.
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Post #12 3/11/10 3:00:57PM
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Captain Doctor
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on the bright side if this was the standard guys would stop doing dangerous cuts and start fighting at a more realistic weight.
right now it'd be crazy wack...it needs to be consistent whatever they do.
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Post #13 3/11/10 3:01:25PM
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MisterFreeze
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I'm completely happy with this rule and I believe it should be a world-wide standard.
I've been speaking out against this issue for a few years now.
I think severe weight cutting is wrong.
Competitors should weigh within the weight class standards on the night of the fight, not the night before. If a guy can't weigh in at a lower weight class then he needs to move up a class.
Weight cutting basically allows bigger guys to pick on little guys. Haven't you heard of the saying "Pick on someone your own size" ?
Well thats exactly how I feel. If the double weigh in was enforced in every state I bet the ranking system would look drastically different.
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Post #14 3/11/10 3:03:45PM
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tepid55
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I don't like the rule at all.
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