Pick'em Leagues: THE BIG SHOW CASUAL BEST OF THE REST Single Event PvP: FANTASY POOLS Betting Leagues: THE BIG SHOW BEST OF THE REST

Frank Mir Apologizes for Comments: Should the Fans Accept?

Print  
  Page 1 of 2     1     2  
Posted By Message

wolunt

Learning to Sprawl

wolunt Avatar
 
 
 


 
 
Posts:26
Career:8-1
Joined:Jan 2010
Chips:
1
Yeah, it's a day late but still a pretty good read IMO.


"I would like to apologize to Brock Lesnar, his family, the UFC, and the UFC fans for my stupid remarks. I respect Brock, all the other fighters, and the sport of mixed martial arts. I’m sorry that I stepped out of line."—[i]Frank Mir[/i]

I figured that it would be most appropriate that I write about Mir’s apology, because in fairness, I was probably one of his toughest critics in these past couple of days.

First, please let me speak on behalf of myself—and myself alone—when I say that Mir’s apology is absolutely accepted.

“Mistakes are always forgivable, if one has the courage to admit them.”—[i]Bruce Lee[/i]

In fact, I should be thanking Frank Mir.

Despite what some fight fans may think, I do not hate Frank Mir. I never have.

Have I been a bit critical of him for some of his “mind-game” antics? Yes.

Did he annoy me during his stint as a TUF coach with his constant “Junie...Niiiiiiicce!” remarks? Yes.

So then, why (at the risk of sounding like a back-peddler—which would require an apology, by the way) am I thanking Frank Mir?

I am thanking him, because if not for him, we would not have all been discussing the issue of fight-hyping, trash-talking, and “how far is too far?”

Here is an obvious example: "I want to fight Brock Lesnar. I hate who he is as a person. I want to break his neck in the ring. I want him to be the first person that dies to Octagon-related injuries.”—Frank Mir, WXDX Radio

It’s tough to say that this comment crossed the line because in fairness to Mir, there was no predetermined line to cross. Bad behaviour has been tolerated and excused by many up until this point, and there needs to be a higher level of accountability and professionalism in MMA if we want this sport to continue its incredible growth as an industry (still not legal in New York and Ontario).

For all of the complaining that fight fans did when Brock Lesnar first came into the UFC about not wanting it to emulate the poor characteristics and bad behaviours typically found in the WWE, I was surprised that some fans didn’t really have a problem with Mir’s remarks. In fact, they liked them.

Personally, I found them unprofessional, irresponsible, and downright idiotic.

Anyway, enough said about that. We all make mistakes.

It’s water under the bridge for this fight fan.

Lord knows that I am in no way perfect, and the folks that are probably the most upset with me for writing my last article (c’mon Gary...how ‘bout a hug?!) would certainly be the first in line to tell you exactly that.

I accept that about myself, and I accept that about Frank Mir.

I take my responsibility as a parent and as a coach seriously.

Maybe a little too seriously sometimes...

In fact, a common trend amongst my articles (even the ones bashing Tito) has been ensuring that all professional athletes act in a way that influences our youth positively and responsibly.

Admittedly, Frank Mir had me second guessing my own involvement in this sport. Even some of the comments by the fans had me wondering, why on earth I would want to associate my name and reputation with MMA.

Then, I received this private e-mail from a young man:

“I was trying to get my dad to watch MMA. I was showing him stuff on the web and telling him about the sport. When we came up on Mir’s comments . He is a very critical man and decided he did not think much of the sportsmanship. This morning I sent him a link to your article. He liked what he read. He emailed me back and said maybe. I appreciate your article because it does show that the fans are not barbaric and do not think it should be tolerated. I read somewhere Mir would not let his children watch TUF because of a reason that in my opinion was not even close to what he said. Please excuse spelling and capital letters I’m really trying.”

This has really inspired me to keep going and so, like it or not, I will continue to speak out on the things that I do not like about this sport, in the hopes that one day, it could be something that everyone would all be proud to let their own children get involved with (it’s all about planting “roots,” folks).

Look, I’m not a naive guy.

I know that this is a violent sport. I just really thought that Mir went too far.

More than anything, I felt that Mir’s remarks warranted a serious discussion, exploring all possible consequences.

Martial arts, for me, has NEVER been about violence. I don’t see any competitive fighting sport that way. I have always looked at it more like a physical chess game.

A Sport!

Why would I want to endorse and promote MMA if I thought that it was just stupid brutality?

I could just go down to any local bar instead and watch two idiots kick the crap out of each other for free.

You can call me soft if you want (thanks Stoke), but I call it...being responsible.

And in the best interests of Frank Mir and his mental health, I feel the following quote by a “fan” sums it up best:

“Realistically, the loss to Lesnar has obviously affected Mir and it's clear that he's got some issues involving Lesnar to the level that his judgment is clouded on subjects relating to Brock. I know when I heard him say his motivation to train insane and beat Kongo was so that he could one day tear off Brocks arm in a rematch, I actually was on the fence about where Frank was mentally with his loss. I don't wonder now, Frank needs some closure on that issue, whether it's in the cage or in a therapists room, he needs it badly, it's clear. We've all said and done things we have regretted or STILL regret because we haven't reconciled the situation and I'm pretty sure at SOME point it would be prudent for Frank to make an apology for what was said and rectify his career in the sport.”

Frank Mir is without a doubt a future Hall of Famer in this sport.

We should all want what is best for him.


Source:

I think I'm ok with this. Not the best apology but it's enough for me. Fighters are not politicians and don't always say the smartest things. While this was down right stupid, he's still just a fighter. While he tries to sound smarter than he really is, clearly he is not with these types of comments. I'm glad he made a quick apology but don't know if he would have if Dana hadn't chewed his arse. I'm ready to move on, bring on Carwin/Mir and lets see Mir do something he's actually really good at. :D

Last edited 2/24/10 12:03PM server time by wolunt
Edit note/reason: n/a

Post #1   2/24/10 12:01:55PM   

State_Champ

MMA Sensei

State_Champ Avatar
3


 
 
 


 
 
Posts:2,120
Career:1,492-882
Joined:Jun 2007
Camp: The Evil Empire
Chips:
440

Posted by State_Champ

I would've been cool if Mir had said "Yeah, I took it a little too far...My comments were just angry and I wasn't thinking. I am sorry I said what I did about Lesnar, but I still don't like the guy."
To me that would've seemed more sincere...as it is now, I don't think MIr's apology counts for anything.



EDIT: I didn't really care too much when Mir said what he did... The only people who I think would really care are UFC, sponsors, media and maybe Lesnar & Family. Or maybe Mir should care because Lesnar seems to take remarks like this somewhat personally.
However, I do feel that if he wanted to apologize then he could've made a more sincere sounding sorry.

Last edited 2/24/10 5:54PM server time by State_Champ
Edit note/reason: n/a

Post #2   2/24/10 12:13:34PM   

wolunt

Learning to Sprawl

wolunt Avatar
 
 
 


 
 
Posts:26
Career:8-1
Joined:Jan 2010
Chips:
1

Posted by State_Champ


Posted by State_Champ

I would've been cool if Mir had said "Yeah, I took it a little too far...My comments were just angry and I wasn't thinking. I am sorry I said what I did about Lesnar, but I still don't like the guy."
To me that would've seemed more sincere...as it is now, I don't think MIr's apology counts for anything.




For sure, much, much better and believable.

Post #3   2/24/10 1:45:43PM   

AnDeRsonDaSiLvA

BANNED

AnDeRsonDaSiLvA Avatar
7
 
 
 
 


 
 
Posts:1,311
Career:510-259
Joined:Jan 2008
Chips:
294
Frankly i don't care , but obviously dana called him and told him to make a public apology (and rightfully so) . Im sure he really meant the original comments and would not have apologized had there been no backlash from the fans/media/dana . Too late for a cover up .

Post #4   2/24/10 3:49:44PM   

telnights

MODesty

telnights Avatar
14
 
 
 
 


 
 
Posts:2,938
Career:1,411-771
Joined:Jun 2007
Camp: The Ringers
Chips:
553
This isn't Tennis and sometimes guys will say something that is over the line. Mir is one of the first I have ever seen apologize, so that is enough for me.

_______________________________________
MMA Playground Mod
Telnights

Post #5   2/24/10 3:52:06PM   

cowcatcher

Steady MODdin'

cowcatcher Avatar
6





 
 
 


 
 
Posts:7,725
Career:2,590-1,480
Joined:Jan 2007
Camp: Project Mayhem
Chips:
1,688
it really didnt bother or shock me at all, after all we grew up in the era of mike tyson wanting to eat peoples children. the PC thing to do was apologize and he did that, theres not a whole lot else he can do at this point. i didnt like the guys attitude before this and i still dont so i guess the comments changed nothing about how i viewed him, except that after all his talk about "martial arts are this and that" he basically did the thing he hated about lesnar and went WWE with his comments. he just added hipocrite to his rap sheet.

Last edited 2/24/10 4:23PM server time by cowcatcher
Edit note/reason: n/a

_______________________________________

Post #6   2/24/10 3:55:52PM   

TimW001

MMA Sensei

TimW001 Avatar
 
 
 


 
 
Posts:1,535
Career:724-436
Joined:Mar 2007
Chips:
206
I do not see why this is such a big deal.

Post #7   2/24/10 5:40:29PM   

prozacnation1978

Heavyweight Champ

prozacnation1978 Avatar
4



 
 
 


 
 
Posts:13,185
Career:2,530-1,341
Joined:Jul 2007
Camp: Dark Horse
Chips:
935
it didn't bother me one bit at all

Post #8   2/24/10 5:45:07PM   

BustedKnuckle

MMA Sensei

BustedKnuckle Avatar
3


 
 
 


 
 
Posts:1,445
Career:659-381
Joined:Sep 2009
Chips:
92
I dont mind the appology to the UFC, or to Lesnar about the death threat but to come out and say you do respect him when you know you dont......... Stand behind some of your words anyways Frank!

Post #9   2/24/10 5:57:08PM   

Mchubb316

MMA Sensei

Mchubb316 Avatar
 
 
 


 
 
Posts:1,129
Career:838-517
Joined:Feb 2007
Camp: Strikers Inc.
Chips:
138
The comment was a litte much. We can get into the long discussion on how MMA is still fairly new, and is trying to change its image, and it is true. We do not need guys, especially ones who are in the spotlight saying they want to kill, or have their opponents die in the cage or ring. Apology accepted it was the right thing for him to do. Hopefully this will all be settled in the cage very soon. If and when it does, in my opinion Brock wins same way as last time.

Post #10   2/25/10 1:29:36AM   

Pookie

Remember Paul Herrera

Pookie Avatar
8
 
 
 


 
 
Posts:9,605
Career:1,910-1,061
Joined:Apr 2007
Camp: The Ringers
Chips:
1,787
I honestly think this has a zero % chance of tarnishing the sport, and anybody that feels this is just "over the line" is taking a holier than thou attitude IMO.

Should the fans accept? My ass, maybe the fans have their expectations too high.

_______________________________________
BJ Penn beat Frankie Edgar more times than Benson Henderson beat Frankie Edgar.

Post #11   2/25/10 2:06:43AM   

king_katool

MMA Sensei

king_katool Avatar
 
 
 


 
 
Posts:1,086
Career:325-231
Joined:Mar 2008
Chips:
200
the only problem i had with Mirs comment was that he as far as to say he wanted lesnar to be the first death in MMA, this soundbite is BEGGING some government goof to run with it,

other wise i have no problem with fighters saying i wanna snapped this guys neck or beat him to death,or ima kill him in there, i mean come, they're not going to do it, they're just motivating themselves,

while they are pros, they're also fighter, fighter are normally not very nice people

Post #12   2/25/10 2:29:52AM   

juggernautakira

MMA Regular

 
 
 


 
 
Posts:120
Career:519-347
Joined:Aug 2009
Camp: Super Karate Monkey Death Car
Chips:
5

Posted by AnDeRsonDaSiLvA

Frankly i don't care , but obviously dana called him and told him to make a public apology (and rightfully so) . Im sure he really meant the original comments and would not have apologized had there been no backlash from the fans/media/dana . Too late for a cover up .



Agreed. I am not too bothered by this as I actually love the hatred.

Post #13   2/25/10 12:58:00PM   

kaskd

MMA Regular

kaskd Avatar
6





 
 
 


 
 
Posts:232
Career:1,207-662
Joined:Apr 2007
Chips:
42
What I'm tired of is the overstated speeches. Now it's one thing if it's funny. Like eating children... that's funny. You know he's not going to literally hurt his children, but he's just making a joke and it's an intimidating one. But all this I'm going to kill you in the ring stuff? Come on, that's not even funny or serious. Is that supposed to be intimidating? Mir knows he doesn't intend on killing Lesnar in the ring. Sure he intends to put on a major hurt, but to kill the man in the ring?

I enjoy trash talking and hype, but let's make it good trash talk. Don't just be saying you're going to kill someone and not mean it. It's more intimidating to me if Frank Mir just said I am going to hurt Lesnar for 4 rounds and, then in the 5th round put him out of his misery. That's more intimidating than a hollow threat.

Post #14   2/26/10 2:16:48AM   

Boo_Radley21

Heavyweight Champ

Boo_Radley21 Avatar
 
 
 


 
 
Posts:4,053
Career:605-425
Joined:Jul 2007
Chips:
466
No they should not accept. Frank Mir is an ignorant **** and if he makes it by Carwin he's going to have Lesnar waiting for put a beating on him, and oh what a beating it will be

Post #15   2/26/10 4:53:37PM   
 
  Page 1 of 2     1     2