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Re: Scoring system update poll, important!

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Should the new scoring system be applied to the existing events?
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Yes 135 61%
No 85 39%
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YES!!!

Post #16   4/15/07 6:08:29PM   

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For those who voted NO : Please people, you have to understand that the site is in BETA state, meaning that features must be well tested before upgrading to version 1; that means that we must accept the radical change of rules in this phase until we accept a set of rules that we consider the final "untouchable" ones.

Most of you said that you like the new rules better, well... now is the time to test the new set of rules and not the next season, because if that's the case, the site will have to be in BETA stage who knows how much time.

Lets test NOW all the changes until next season PLEASE vote YES otherwise you will SLOW the process to "freeze" the new set of rules and we will have this problem for many seasons from now.

PD: Sorry my bad English

Post #17   4/16/07 1:44:06AM   

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Posted by CWall33


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I voted Yes. The change is fine by me if the general consensus likes it.



If you were leaving it up to the general consensus, then you wouldn't have voted yes.



Uhh from the general consensus it seems pretty even. Just cause you dont like it does not mean the rest of the people feel the same.

Post #18   4/16/07 2:27:51AM   

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Posted by Gomiera


Posted by CWall33


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I voted Yes. The change is fine by me if the general consensus likes it.



If you were leaving it up to the general consensus, then you wouldn't have voted yes.



Uhh from the general consensus it seems pretty even. Just cause you dont like it does not mean the rest of the people feel the same.



if you read all the posts most nos dont have a problem with the rule change. its the retroing of the rule to events that have already happenned. the change helped me. but changing past points was not right.

Post #19   4/16/07 2:45:27AM   

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It is right because its a BETA set of rules, by definition those rules can and may change until we find the 'right' set of rules for us ...
the real goal in this season its not to measure who is the 'best' but to stablish a framework so in the future we can determine who is the 'best', so the changes must be retroactive in order we can measure their impact and their 'correctness'

PD: sorry my bad english

Post #20   4/16/07 2:51:57AM   

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Posted by berzeck

the real goal in this season its not to measure who is the 'best' but to stablish a framework so in the future we can determine who is the 'best', so the changes must be retroactive in order we can measure their impact and their 'correctness'

PD: sorry my bad english



If the intention of the site is not to determine who is "best" then why is there a prize for the person with the most points at the end of the season as quoted below from the site in their introduction to their site?

"At the end of each MMAPlayground.com fight season the person with the most points will be announced and win a prize (this season's prize is $500*)."

Why is their a ranking system with season leaders and the wealthiest players? I see it simply because it is a competition to determine who is the "best".

Post #21   4/16/07 1:46:48PM   

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Posted by Tamara


Posted by berzeck

the real goal in this season its not to measure who is the 'best' but to stablish a framework so in the future we can determine who is the 'best', so the changes must be retroactive in order we can measure their impact and their 'correctness'

PD: sorry my bad english



If the intention of the site is not to determine who is "best" then why is there a prize for the person with the most points at the end of the season as quoted below from the site in their introduction to their site?

"At the end of each MMAPlayground.com fight season the person with the most points will be announced and win a prize (this season's prize is $500*)."

Why is their a ranking system with season leaders and the wealthiest players? I see it simply because it is a competition to determine who is the "best".



With the previous ruleset we wern't being shown the "best" as people who could have picked the fight worse than others could have a higher rank when they didn't deserve it.

Post #22   4/16/07 2:19:09PM   

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because this feature is also BETA, like any other feature its being tested.

the main goal of this page is to quantify the mma knowledge among users, to achieve this, the software must pass through a series of phases, including the BETA phase where features and the quantification algorithms are tested among users and changes are normal at this phase

many users said that the retroactive change isn't fair, and they are partially right, but technically speaking its senseless to maintain two different algorithms in a BETA state because any upgrade in the software must be revised twice ( once for each algorithm ) so the cost of upgrading increases for the developers

this is the reason of a beta stage in the first place... to have only one consistent and tested set of rules so when the page reaches "gold" ( aka version 1) we never go through this inevitable phase again

PD: sorry my bad english

Post #23   4/16/07 2:24:25PM   

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ya like this is the 1st season ever and i think they ment for it to be for more getting ppl hear to the sight and working things out seeing how everything is working out and changing them and some far every change they have made has been great and have worked out great in the end.

Post #24   4/16/07 3:03:37PM   

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Probably should have kept the results that were already over with and started the new system with the next 'season'.

Post #25   4/16/07 11:59:30PM   

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Ok, the yes votes are taking a commanding lead. So that leaves me to these questions -

Can cookies be cleared to vote twice or more?
Can we send (the mods of course) a mass email out to all members to inform them of the pole?

I am new to this so the questions are looking for real answers, because I am truly looking to be educated.

Post #26   4/17/07 12:14:47AM   

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I don't really think that it is a cookie thing, probably somewhere in the database is stored the votes per user per poll, so it's improbable that the users can manipulate this ( at least i would have implemented the feature that way )

Post #27   4/17/07 12:59:15AM   

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I have to agree. We arent far from the finish of the first season, lets just keep the scoring lik it is for the remianing events, and then do a good job of publicising that they wuill be changed for season 2.

Post #28   4/17/07 2:05:58AM   

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I voted "No" but this is a invalid vote anyway.

More people are gonna have gained points that lost them. But it still doesn't change the fact that some people will have gained more points that others if you see what i mean.

I'm surprised the vote is as close as it is.

This vote should have been done BEFORE you implemented the changes.

Now people get to see what it does to their score and everyone elses around them.

Post #29   4/17/07 3:46:11AM   

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I agree.

Even a comprimise would be ok.

For example ... applying the new round/method of winning rules to existing results ... but keeping the previous Hot Bouts the same ..

I mean it seems ludicrous that I have LOST points for getting hot bouts spot on and then they get changed to normal bouts.

At least this way it is completely fair and no-one actually loses points. Keep the hot bouts from previous events the same .. and apply the new rules to existing events .. this would be "fair" in so much as it rewards people who got the most right results.

However, in principle I still disagree with changing the rules mid-season and altering previous scores ... very dubious.

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