Sengoku Wants Shinya Aoki Punished for His Antics at Dynamite!! 2009 |
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RhythmAndStyle
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WVR director, Sumio Inamura condemned Aoki's flipping of the bird at the severely injured (Mizuto) Hirota as an "erratic, unforgivable conduct" and fumed that there is not an ounce of sincerity or contrition in his apology. Inamura also demanded accountability from "those who are suspected to have incited Aoki to behave the way he did."
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Post #1 1/7/10 2:30:06PM
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Giant_Ochai
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As long as someone doesn't continue beating on his opponent I don't care what they do after a win. Mr. Inamura just seems embarrassed that his champion got owned.
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Post #2 1/7/10 3:52:10PM
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Posted by Giant_Ochai
As long as someone doesn't continue beating on his opponent I don't care what they do after a win. Mr. Inamura just seems embarrassed that his champion got owned.
Actually, I agree. It's fighting...not Candyland or Tiddly Winks.
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Post #3 1/7/10 3:53:01PM
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Posted by emfleek
Posted by Giant_Ochai
As long as someone doesn't continue beating on his opponent I don't care what they do after a win. Mr. Inamura just seems embarrassed that his champion got owned.
Actually, I agree. It's fighting...not Candyland or Tiddly Winks.
Me too its a reflection of Shinya he did nothing to hurt anyone else. Now we as fans decided if we support him due to his actions will we buy products he endorses (spelling) things of that nature. Now had he tapped and Aoki continued to apply the hold and snapped him then that is where someone would need to step in.
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Post #4 1/7/10 4:32:03PM
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Posted by emfleek
Posted by Giant_Ochai
As long as someone doesn't continue beating on his opponent I don't care what they do after a win. Mr. Inamura just seems embarrassed that his champion got owned.
Actually, I agree. It's fighting...not Candyland or Tiddly Winks.
It may be fighting, but it's also a sport...and a line has to be drawn somewhere. Where that line is at is certainly subjective, but I don't see a problem with a little punishment for antics like that. There's no need to hand out a lifetime ban of coarse, but a fine or something equivalent would probably be appropriate.
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Post #5 1/7/10 4:32:45PM
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Posted by postman
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Posted by Giant_Ochai
As long as someone doesn't continue beating on his opponent I don't care what they do after a win. Mr. Inamura just seems embarrassed that his champion got owned.
Actually, I agree. It's fighting...not Candyland or Tiddly Winks.
Me too its a reflection of Shinya he did nothing to hurt anyone else. Now we as fans decided if we support him due to his actions will we buy products he endorses (spelling) things of that nature. Now had he tapped and Aoki continued to apply the hold and snapped him then that is where someone would need to step in.
I agree with individuals taking on the responsibility of supporting or not supporting Aoki after what he did. If nobody else gets hurt, then so be it...but, there was a brand and image that was also tarnished as a result. So, I have no problem if they choose to punish him, as long as it's reasonable of coarse.
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Post #6 1/7/10 4:38:32PM
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The best recourse for Sengoku would be signing someone to come over and beat the hell out of him.
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Post #7 1/7/10 5:27:17PM
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Posted by emfleek
Posted by Giant_Ochai
As long as someone doesn't continue beating on his opponent I don't care what they do after a win. Mr. Inamura just seems embarrassed that his champion got owned.
Actually, I agree. It's fighting...not Candyland or Tiddly Winks.
Well said!
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Post #8 1/7/10 5:46:47PM
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Posted by xdanish020
The best recourse for Sengoku would be signing someone to come over and beat the hell out of him.
Maybe the UFC can lend BJ out to Sengoku for one fight. 
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Post #9 1/7/10 6:08:27PM
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Posted by Giant_Ochai
As long as someone doesn't continue beating on his opponent I don't care what they do after a win. Mr. Inamura just seems embarrassed that his champion got owned.
Actually, I agree. It's fighting...not Candyland or Tiddly Winks.
It may be fighting, but it's also a sport...and a line has to be drawn somewhere. Where that line is at is certainly subjective, but I don't see a problem with a little punishment for antics like that. There's no need to hand out a lifetime ban of coarse, but a fine or something equivalent would probably be appropriate.
a fine is the right course of action. yes we know this is fighting an all but grappler is right its still a sport.All sports have fines for this kind of thing
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Post #10 1/7/10 6:43:45PM
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a fine is the right course of action. yes we know this is fighting an all but grappler is right its still a sport.All sports have fines for this kind of thing
I don't know of any sport that has fined a player for flipping another player off.
Late hits? Fine.
Flagrant foul? Fine.
Beaming a player in baseball? Fine.
Flipping someone off? I think you'd be hard pressed to produce evidence that someone has been fined for it.
It's not like he pulled a Babalu and held the armbar after the ref tried stopping it. What he did is no different than what Chad Johnson does after each touchdown. Johnson gets fined, yes...but that's because the NFL is overly strict. If you're going to fine Aoki for flipping someone off, you damn well better fine every fighter that celebrates after a victory. Every fighter that does any kind of showboating, including the throat slashing gesture, wiping sweat from the brow, etc.
It's no different as far as I"m concerned. People watch the sport knowing damn well that it's not G rated. Rather than babysitting the overly sensitive momma's boys, let's accept what we're watching and take into account that emotions run high when you just survived getting your ass kicked.
EDIT: Flipping off fans is a different story. If you want to fine him, go ahead. I still think it's weak sauce, though. Every sport has its villains. Just let it be, in my opinion.
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Post #11 1/7/10 6:58:45PM
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Posted by emfleek
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a fine is the right course of action. yes we know this is fighting an all but grappler is right its still a sport.All sports have fines for this kind of thing
I don't know of any sport that has fined a player for flipping another player off.
Late hits? Fine.
Flagrant foul? Fine.
Beaming a player in baseball? Fine.
Flipping someone off? I think you'd be hard pressed to produce evidence that someone has been fined for it.
It's not like he pulled a Babalu and held the armbar after the ref tried stopping it. What he did is no different than what Chad Johnson does after each touchdown. Johnson gets fined, yes...but that's because the NFL is overly strict. If you're going to fine Aoki for flipping someone off, you damn well better fine every fighter that celebrates after a victory. Every fighter that does any kind of showboating, including the throat slashing gesture, wiping sweat from the brow, etc.
It's no different as far as I"m concerned. People watch the sport knowing damn well that it's not G rated. Rather than babysitting the overly sensitive momma's boys, let's accept what we're watching and take into account that emotions run high when you just survived getting your ass kicked.
EDIT: Flipping off fans is a different story. If you want to fine him, go ahead. I still think it's weak sauce, though. Every sport has its villains. Just let it be, in my opinion.
dude your a huge football fan so i know youve heard of UN-SPORTSMAN LIKE CONDUCT. what does that warrant in football? a flag.what does it warrant in basketball?? a technical foul with a possible ejection.if i wasnt lazy im probably sure i could find the same thing in every other major sport.
so you see its theres plenty of evidence of this sort of thing.
the reason i think a fine is the way to go is because its simply the only thing they can do. they obviously cant call a foul or eject him as the fight is already over (i dont mind taunting DURING the fight)
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i don't blame them
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Post #13 1/7/10 7:54:40PM
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a fine is the right course of action. yes we know this is fighting an all but grappler is right its still a sport.All sports have fines for this kind of thing
I don't know of any sport that has fined a player for flipping another player off.
Late hits? Fine.
Flagrant foul? Fine.
Beaming a player in baseball? Fine.
Flipping someone off? I think you'd be hard pressed to produce evidence that someone has been fined for it.
It's not like he pulled a Babalu and held the armbar after the ref tried stopping it. What he did is no different than what Chad Johnson does after each touchdown. Johnson gets fined, yes...but that's because the NFL is overly strict. If you're going to fine Aoki for flipping someone off, you damn well better fine every fighter that celebrates after a victory. Every fighter that does any kind of showboating, including the throat slashing gesture, wiping sweat from the brow, etc.
It's no different as far as I"m concerned. People watch the sport knowing damn well that it's not G rated. Rather than babysitting the overly sensitive momma's boys, let's accept what we're watching and take into account that emotions run high when you just survived getting your ass kicked.
EDIT: Flipping off fans is a different story. If you want to fine him, go ahead. I still think it's weak sauce, though. Every sport has its villains. Just let it be, in my opinion.
dude your a huge football fan so i know youve heard of UN-SPORTSMAN LIKE CONDUCT. what does that warrant in football? a flag.what does it warrant in basketball?? a technical foul with a possible ejection.if i wasnt lazy im probably sure i could find the same thing in every other major sport.
so you see its theres plenty of evidence of this sort of thing.
the reason i think a fine is the way to go is because its simply the only thing they can do. they obviously cant call a foul or eject him as the fight is already over (i dont mind taunting DURING the fight)
I've never once seen a flag thrown in football for flipping someone off. Unsportsmanlike conduct is usually called for late hits, helmet-to-helmet contact, tripping, spitting, etc. It may be considered unsportsmanlike, but it's rarely (if ever) enforced.*
* with the exception of Bud Adams, of course.
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Post #14 1/7/10 8:03:19PM
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Posted by emfleek
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a fine is the right course of action. yes we know this is fighting an all but grappler is right its still a sport.All sports have fines for this kind of thing
I don't know of any sport that has fined a player for flipping another player off.
Late hits? Fine.
Flagrant foul? Fine.
Beaming a player in baseball? Fine.
Flipping someone off? I think you'd be hard pressed to produce evidence that someone has been fined for it.
It's not like he pulled a Babalu and held the armbar after the ref tried stopping it. What he did is no different than what Chad Johnson does after each touchdown. Johnson gets fined, yes...but that's because the NFL is overly strict. If you're going to fine Aoki for flipping someone off, you damn well better fine every fighter that celebrates after a victory. Every fighter that does any kind of showboating, including the throat slashing gesture, wiping sweat from the brow, etc.
It's no different as far as I"m concerned. People watch the sport knowing damn well that it's not G rated. Rather than babysitting the overly sensitive momma's boys, let's accept what we're watching and take into account that emotions run high when you just survived getting your ass kicked.
EDIT: Flipping off fans is a different story. If you want to fine him, go ahead. I still think it's weak sauce, though. Every sport has its villains. Just let it be, in my opinion.
dude your a huge football fan so i know youve heard of UN-SPORTSMAN LIKE CONDUCT. what does that warrant in football? a flag.what does it warrant in basketball?? a technical foul with a possible ejection.if i wasnt lazy im probably sure i could find the same thing in every other major sport.
so you see its theres plenty of evidence of this sort of thing.
the reason i think a fine is the way to go is because its simply the only thing they can do. they obviously cant call a foul or eject him as the fight is already over (i dont mind taunting DURING the fight)
I've never once seen a flag thrown in football for flipping someone off. Unsportsmanlike conduct is usually called for late hits, helmet-to-helmet contact, tripping, spitting, etc. It may be considered unsportsmanlike, but it's rarely (if ever) enforced.*
* with the exception of Bud Adams, of course.
I am having a hard time thinking of the finger get fined in sports. Add in the fact these guys are fighting not playing a game. Truthfuly where any of you offended so badly by what he did that your willing to take food off his plate? Ask yourselves that before jumping on the fine and or Suspension bandwagon.
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