The Rise of The Mc-Blackbelt: Rashad Evans Receives Meaningless Belt |
| Posted By |
Message |
jiujitsufreak74
,,[],, *******,,[],,
Career record: 738-406
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: east islip, new york
|
i just want to commend AnDeRsonDaSiLvA on his knowledge of JJ and his well argued points, i was unable to write that in his props so i wanted to say it publicly 
anyway, i agree with those defending Rashad. we don't know what his JJ level in in pure grappling, and, as others have said, if a Gracie is backing you that belt is legitimate. he has obvious grappling ability, and as a talented wrestler he can pick up JJ rather quickly. also, i am a big proponent of no-gi JJ and i think it is absurd to say that you need to be trained in a gi to have the skills of a black belt. just because he has not attempted any submissions in MMA has absolutely 0 influence on whether or not he deserves a black belt. people have to realize that JJ and MMA are two completely different animals and that if a Gracie is backing up Rashad, i will consider him legitimate.
|
|
Post #16 1/6/10 12:35:58AM
|
|
|
tepid55
MMA Sensei
Career record: 1044-555
Season: 21-3 (#98)
Location: Texas
|
If Rashad got his blackbelt from Rolles Gracie, it's legit.
|
|
Post #17 1/7/10 12:22:27PM
|
Advertisement |
|
dstlvb
MMA Regular
Career record: 372-247
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: St Charles Mo
|
Ive told the guys i watch UFC fights with for a while now that saying a guy is a BB means nothing. You need to know who gave it to them. I think Rashad is simply the guy at the time we can point to that we feel represents what is happening in BJJ. An instructor in my area got his BB from a big name Gracie even though he had won no major comps from Blue Belt on. While my instructor won mulitple world championships at all belt levels and it took longer for him to get his BB. Is my instructor better. Maybe. They both might have aquired the same knowledge, but he might not be good in comps. My instructor is going to get a higher level of respect since he proved it. I sense Rashad and alot of guys coiming along now are going to be looked at as lower tier BB until they do it in BJJ comps.
Last edited 1/7/10 4:31PM by dstlvb
Edit note/reason: n/a
2 total post edits
|
|
Post #18 1/7/10 4:27:25PM
|
warglory
Heavyweight Champ
Career record: 465-318
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Portland, ME
|
Posted by dstlvb
Ive told the guys i watch UFC fights with for a while now that saying a guy is a BB means nothing. You need to know who gave it to them. I think Rashad is simply the guy at the time we can point to that we feel represents what is happening in BJJ. An instructor in my area got his BB from a big name Gracie even though he had won no major comps from Blue Belt on. While my instructor won mulitple world championships at all belt levels and it took longer for him to get his BB. Is my instructor better. Maybe. They both might have aquired the same knowledge, but he might not be good in comps. My instructor is going to get a higher level of respect since he proved it. I sense Rashad and alot of guys coiming along now are going to be looked at as lower tier BB until they do it in BJJ comps.
Or gogoplata your ass in the Octagon, that would make me a believer. hehe
|
|
Post #19 1/7/10 5:51:44PM
|
BustedKnuckle
MMA Sensei
Career record: 559-325
Season: 3-2 (#2140)
Location: The Flip Side
|
Wow you guys have beaten this one to death. As a hardcore fan I have to BELIEVE that the Gracie lineage would carry some weight here, and Rashads belt is legit.
|
|
Post #20 1/7/10 6:13:16PM
|
The Anti-pansy
Career record: 1031-567
Season: 22-2 (#166)
Location: PA
|
Rolles weighs in here ...but I don't think he really sheds much light on anything.
_______________________________________
"Being born with a pair of beady eyes was the best thing that ever happened to me." - Lee Van Cleef
“If we wish to preserve a free society, it is essential that we recognize that the desirability of a particular object is not sufficient justification for the use of coercion” - F.A. Hayek
|
|
Post #21 1/8/10 2:49:13PM
|
Jackelope
Go ahead, MOD my day
Career record: 586-330
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Getting choked out or arm barred
|
There are plenty of black belt jiu jitsu guys who don't have the most stellar submission output. However, their control and avoidance of subs is definitely something to be reckoned with. I think the idea that someone has to pull off subs back to back in the Octagon a la Demian Maia in order to be considered a legit black belt is incorrect.
When you face a truly great BJJ practicioner you will not be able to do anything. They'll always control the position and they'll always nullify your attacks. From what I've seen of Rashad he does both of those pretty well. Am I saying he's on the level of BJ Penn or Demian Maia? Hell no. But do I think he's black belt level? Hell yes. I guarantee you that if you put Rashad into a black belt competition he would hold his own. He might not win it all, but just being able to win a match or two in competition vs. other black belts says something about your skill level.
Besides- I bet Rashad has put more work into his BJJ in those 4 years than most of those guys who train for 6 years to get theirs do. He's a full time fighter.
|
|
Post #22 1/8/10 4:09:25PM
|
Remember Paul Herrera
Career record: 1017-538
Season: 20-4 (#60)
Location: You think you can tell heaven from hell?
|
This is similar to the Jon Fitch blackbelt situation . If you cant submit them, than they deserve the belt in my opinion.
Granted ive seen Rashad out grappled by Hoger, but that was awhile ago and i would hope rashad has improved that part of his game since then.
_______________________________________
BJ Penn beat Frankie Edgar more times than Benson Henderson beat Frankie Edgar.
|
|
Post #23 1/9/10 4:13:27PM
|
|
