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LAS VEGAS – What kind of fight promotion would allow an aging, 41-year-old boxing champion to make his professional mixed martial arts debut on a national (if not worldwide) stage?

Would you believe the UFC?

Well, if current IBO and NABO heavyweight boxing champion James Toney (72-6 Boxing, 0-0 MMA) has his way, "Lights Out" may soon be looking to compete in the octagon. And despite his seemingly long odds for success, Toney may have a sympathetic contact in the organization: UFC president Dana White.

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While it may work out, it would be a gimmick signing. The entertainment would again win out over the actual talent of the UFC.

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Posted by cmill21

While it may work out, it would be a gimmick signing. The entertainment would again win out over the actual talent of the UFC.



There are tens of thousands of people out there that believe a boxer on his level can compete in the UFC. I'm not one of them, but until a boxing champion comes in and gets tossed around like a ragdoll, there's an interest in seeing it. And with the trash that some of the boxers talk about MMA, this is really a necessity to shut some of those guys up, since they won't man-up themselves.

Got a question for you cmill21. Why when the UFC talks about signing a boxing champion do you call it a gimmick signing? But in Japan, when a top 10 fighter fights a guy dressed like a cartoon character and is half his size, you just say, well that is what the Japanese audience wants. I know you hate the UFC and all, but does every comment really need to be negative. Will it kill you to "not" take a jab at them in just one comment? I mean, you talked so much trash about the card last night. Did you watch it? I'm dying to hear you speak the truth about what you saw last night. I know it will eat you up inside, but can you do it? I challenge you to say something good about UFC 108.

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But a washed up boxer? We have already seen that. I have a question for you, when will you admit the UFC cares more about the entertainment(as do 99% of all other MMA promotions) then the sport? This will never be taken seriously as a sport as long as we're letting the best athletes go to sign people who can't win a fight, but talk one hell of alot. Now I'm really glad you care so much about what I think, and to answer your question, yes I watched it. And while I enjoyed it I thought to myself, who would pay $50+ for mean nothing fights. JDS beating Gilbert the way he did was impressive, but Gilbert isn't even top 20, Hazlett and Daly was a sold fight, but again Hazlett isn't top 15, and the Thiago Rashad fight put me to sleep. If the UFC wants me to pay $50 for something that lasts 3 hours it better have 3 sick fights, with at least contender matches of some kind. I mean your supposed to have the deepest talent pool in the MMA world and the best you can do is 5 mean nothing fights? I don't hate the UFC, I'm like that teacher who see's potential and is very hard on them when they come nowhere near expectations. Good night of fights, but no not worth $50, should have been free on spike.

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why toney?? who not someone younger and still in the lime light

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That's pretty much what I thought you'd say. Thanks for the response.

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Aside from Tito, who are you talking about exactly? Who else talks, but can't win a fight? Just curious. I wouldn't want 1 man to represent 200 in anyone's eyes.

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Posted by prozacnation1978

why toney?? who not someone younger and still in the lime light



But, who else in boxing is stepping forward? Nobody wants to give em a payday for just one fight...and on the other side of the coin, a top shelf boxer isn't gonna want to work his way up the ladder of another sport either.

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Toney's style isn't built for MMA AT ALL, and this will be painfully obvious. Unless they bring someone in for him to fight, there are very few guys who wont ragdoll him. If I had to guess they bring back Eddie Sanchez or Hardonk to fight him and let the chips fall where they may. Eventually they feed him to a wrestler and let their investment work as a stepping stone for one of their legitimate fighters.

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Posted by grappler0000

That's pretty much what I thought you'd say. Thanks for the response.

Edit:

Aside from Tito, who are you talking about exactly? Who else talks, but can't win a fight? Just curious. I wouldn't want 1 man to represent 200 in anyone's eyes.



Dude, your avatar is amazing.

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I'm a big James Toney fan, he's a cool ass dude I've met several times. If the man wants to fight who are we to say he can't? Is it a pub stunt? Sure it is, but Dana White is trying to make money so who's to blame the guy for listening to a possible market frenzy that is the first ever Champion of a major Boxing corporation in James Toney.


I'm all for watching fights, I don't care who it is.

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Posted by grappler0000

That's pretty much what I thought you'd say. Thanks for the response.

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Aside from Tito, who are you talking about exactly? Who else talks, but can't win a fight? Just curious. I wouldn't want 1 man to represent 200 in anyone's eyes.



Tito, the entire cast of TUF this season other then roy nelson. The constant "oh this guy played in the NFL". Who cares, can he fight? I honestly never thought the UFC would dip into the barrel they are right now.

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Posted by grappler0000

That's pretty much what I thought you'd say. Thanks for the response.

Edit:

Aside from Tito, who are you talking about exactly? Who else talks, but can't win a fight? Just curious. I wouldn't want 1 man to represent 200 in anyone's eyes.



Tito, the entire cast of TUF this season other then roy nelson. The constant "oh this guy played in the NFL". Who cares, can he fight? I honestly never thought the UFC would dip into the barrel they are right now.



Seriously? The talent isn't always rich on the Ultimate Fighter, but it's just a television show...and if they can't win fights, then they don't last long anyway...so your point is moot. Question still stands: besides Tito, who are all these guys that can't win fights that the UFC continues to employ?

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Thats what your going with? So because they don't keep these guys around it means it's ok to keep trying to find the next Tito? I don't care if a guy played in the NFL, it's crap that they bring guys in for that reason. No there's not a ton of guys in the UFC who are like this....yet. They just started to bring these guys in, Kimbo, Tito, and letting Dan and alot of the real talent stay outside of the UFC to sign guys like Toney is becoming a trend. Quit drinking the kool aid and figure it out bud.

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i expect this from dream or somewere else in japan but not ufc

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Throw him in there with Pat Berry.It would be entertaining,and not a total squash match.

Then give him to Coleman,so Mark can retire with a win on his record.

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