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MODesty
Career record: 723-367
Season: 38-12 (#5)
Location: Oklahoma
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The problem with this is the trainees and his training partners experience level and his partners aggression level. Its the coach's job to know his fighters and to know what level they are at and their aggression level when training. If you have a guy that always goes full out you don't put him with a guy that's new at this. As a training coach you should always know your fighters and match them up with the right training partners. Now I will say I don't get to deal with new guys very much as I'm an advanced trainer but still I feel this was a mistake by the coach by matching him with the wrong person and by his training part being overly aggressive. Now that doesn't mean the hole gym is to blame as he said it was a stand in coach. I will say guys that get pissed or get out of hand most of the time don't last long in a lot of gyms because they cant have guys starting fights and getting hurt themselves or hurting a fighter that's getting ready for a fight.
Posted by jocka
From what i can gather you seem like a guy that has been training for a while, don't take this the wrong way but you have never hurt someone intentionally in training in a revenge situation.
What i mean by that is per example in sparring we normally keep it around 50% (at my gym), if someone starts going all out in me (which is fine) he needs to except me to start hitting harder and obviously i will want to hurt it, i have to say that i would not go all out on someone's face in sparring but on the body and legs i definitely would for the exceptions of knees of course way too easy to break ribs.
I probably should of specify what i meant by trying to hurt the person.
If your hurting someone intentionally then that isn't training that's fighting.
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Post #16 12/15/09 6:11:45PM
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Jackelope
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Career record: 586-330
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Getting choked out or arm barred
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Tel and Svartorm pretty much hit on the points I would have.
At my gym, which isn't just some hole in the wall- it's a well known gym that puts out a lot of good fighters- if you start fighting like that then you will be punished. If people want to get tough and act like a badass then you will be forced to spar with one of the pros, and he will make sure you don't ever get tough on someone and try to hurt them again. Either that or you will be asked to leave class or put through hellacious physical punishment in the form of conditioning drills.
I would never condone anyone in the gym KO'ing someone or trying to hurt them intentionally. You're there to train- not hurt each other. The only reason why I threw out the facts about my gym is to show that even the pros don't train this way. They train to get better. Nobody gets better sitting on the side nursing an injury.
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Post #17 12/15/09 6:49:57PM
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jocka
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Posted by Jackelope
Tel and Svartorm pretty much hit on the points I would have.
At my gym, which isn't just some hole in the wall- it's a well known gym that puts out a lot of good fighters- if you start fighting like that then you will be punished. If people want to get tough and act like a badass then you will be forced to spar with one of the pros, and he will make sure you don't ever get tough on someone and try to hurt them again. Either that or you will be asked to leave class or put through hellacious physical punishment in the form of conditioning drills.
I would never condone anyone in the gym KO'ing someone or trying to hurt them intentionally. You're there to train- not hurt each other. The only reason why I threw out the facts about my gym is to show that even the pros don't train this way. They train to get better. Nobody gets better sitting on the side nursing an injury.
Just to provide a bit more information i have a few amateur muay thai fights and I train with professional fighters on a daily basis, from experience they are never the one to go all out on you since they do know how to control their power.
The only time i ever wanted to hurt someone and once again i am not talking braking bones or KOing someone I am talking about a nice liver shot or just a nice body shot to the stomach.
Let me ask you then, if you are sparring with an experimented guy not a newbie not a pro that has a fight coming up and that person start going all out how would you react, how would you deal with the situation?
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Post #18 12/16/09 1:15:19PM
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haggiswashere
MMA Sensei
Career record: 352-262
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Roy Utah in the United States of AMIRica
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Jeremy Horn took me aside yesterday. It was kinda crazy talking to someone like him haha. He assured me that what happened was not normal or following gym policy. He seemed genuinely pissed about what happened. I trained the kickboxing again last night and had alot of fun. It was a whole different atmosphere. very very cool. I'm glad i gave it one more shot. Jeremy is way cool. It made me laugh because he introduced himself when he talked to me... like I wouldn't already know haha. He is a very nice guy and is a very good teacher. Alot of the other students and pro fighters talked to me and all felt the same way I did about what happened on thursday. Very pleased with the gym. Thanks everybody. I'm glad I tried again!
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Post #19 12/16/09 6:32:52PM
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jocka
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Posted by haggiswashere
Jeremy Horn took me aside yesterday. It was kinda crazy talking to someone like him haha. He assured me that what happened was not normal or following gym policy. He seemed genuinely pissed about what happened. I trained the kickboxing again last night and had alot of fun. It was a whole different atmosphere. very very cool. I'm glad i gave it one more shot. Jeremy is way cool. It made me laugh because he introduced himself when he talked to me... like I wouldn't already know haha. He is a very nice guy and is a very good teacher. Alot of the other students and pro fighters talked to me and all felt the same way I did about what happened on thursday. Very pleased with the gym. Thanks everybody. I'm glad I tried again!
good stuff happy to hear you gave it another shot good luck with training
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Post #20 12/16/09 6:59:36PM
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Jackelope
Go ahead, MOD my day
Career record: 586-330
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Posted by jocka
Posted by Jackelope
Tel and Svartorm pretty much hit on the points I would have.
At my gym, which isn't just some hole in the wall- it's a well known gym that puts out a lot of good fighters- if you start fighting like that then you will be punished. If people want to get tough and act like a badass then you will be forced to spar with one of the pros, and he will make sure you don't ever get tough on someone and try to hurt them again. Either that or you will be asked to leave class or put through hellacious physical punishment in the form of conditioning drills.
I would never condone anyone in the gym KO'ing someone or trying to hurt them intentionally. You're there to train- not hurt each other. The only reason why I threw out the facts about my gym is to show that even the pros don't train this way. They train to get better. Nobody gets better sitting on the side nursing an injury.
Just to provide a bit more information i have a few amateur muay thai fights and I train with professional fighters on a daily basis, from experience they are never the one to go all out on you since they do know how to control their power.
The only time i ever wanted to hurt someone and once again i am not talking braking bones or KOing someone I am talking about a nice liver shot or just a nice body shot to the stomach.
Let me ask you then, if you are sparring with an experimented guy not a newbie not a pro that has a fight coming up and that person start going all out how would you react, how would you deal with the situation?
Well I have been in that situation and it's a completely different one than what the OP laid out.
When I train with guys who have fights coming up I know there is a certain level of intensity expected. The way we do this is by doing round robin type training. In these drills it's expected that you're going to get slammed, tweaked, and maybe a bloody nose or black eye. That's fine. That's two experienced guys going at it with a ramped up intensity level because they're training to fight.
The situation the OP laid out was a new guy trying out a new gym with some dude who clearly knew wtf he was doing wailing on him. That's something I'd never, ever support. The guy who wailed on him ought to be punished harshly for acting that way.
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Post #21 12/17/09 12:39:12PM
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RyanC
MMA Sensei
Career record: 404-256
Season: 36-13 (#554)
Location: Hastings, MN
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Posted by haggiswashere
Jeremy Horn took me aside yesterday. It was kinda crazy talking to someone like him haha. He assured me that what happened was not normal or following gym policy. He seemed genuinely pissed about what happened. I trained the kickboxing again last night and had alot of fun. It was a whole different atmosphere. very very cool. I'm glad i gave it one more shot. Jeremy is way cool. It made me laugh because he introduced himself when he talked to me... like I wouldn't already know haha. He is a very nice guy and is a very good teacher. Alot of the other students and pro fighters talked to me and all felt the same way I did about what happened on thursday. Very pleased with the gym. Thanks everybody. I'm glad I tried again!
Awesome. Way glad to hear it worked out. Sounds like you basically just ran into one bad partner, and not a gym filled with them. Happy training.
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Post #22 12/20/09 9:46:32AM
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