Thats how I predicted the fight going tho, I just had faith that it wouldnt go that route.
Rumble rocks Koscheck standing, Koscheck shoots and goes for the choke
Do you also consider Damian Maia a weasel for taking all of his fights to the ground and getting submissions? Or GSP a weasel for taking his opponents down and pounding them out?
Seriously just go watch a boxing match or a MT fight, if you want a pure stand up war. Wrestling is part of the game. Deal with it. F*ck I hate people that are so one sided in the mind that the minute someone gets taken down its BOOOOOO....
Yes, the rules are created with fighter safety in mind, but that doesn't negate the fact that the rule is very specific. Whether or not Aether feels it's dangerous has no real bearing on whether it's illegal or not. It's beyond me that you have come with your own version of the rule, none of which is anywhere in the rulebook and has never been applied before. I'll just leave this alone now with just saying this...If the knee strike doesn't touch the illegal area, then it how can it be an illegal blow? If you can answer me that without making up your own rule about the impact transfer through different body parts, then I'll listen. But, unfortunately that's impossible, because the rule is just one lonely sentence...and for a good reason.
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I don't understand all the fighting over weather a knee did or didn't land.
Now weather the knee landed or not the ref and the doctor both made bad calls. The only time a fighter gets time to recover is for a low blow. He can have the doctor check the eye and if the fighter says he cant see or vision is blurred the fight should be stopped. But the doctor didn't do his job and got in to a debate about the rules which he was right but that isn't his job. When the doctor finally makes his call weather the fighter can go on the fight restarts right then or ends. You don't get 5 mins to recover or any amount of time.
Now would this have changed the outcome of the fight most likely would have been declared a no contest or DQ. You want someone to be upset with be mad at the Ref and the Doc who both failed at their jobs. Not KOS or AJ they both gave it their best and put on a good fight. Weather you like the outcome or not KOS did a really good job standing and on the ground and AJ just got out worked.
This is 100% incorrect. You really think that a fighter doesn't get time to recover for eyepokes or illegal knees/kicks to the head, and ONLY for groin strikes? That really makes no sense. Do you genuinely think that a fighter who takes an illegal knee to the head gets NO time to recover?
Both state that a fighter on the receiving end of ANY foul gets time to recover, no more than 5 minutes, this includes knees to the head, eyepokes, and any other foul you can name.
Come on guys. Some of the arguments being thrown out here are just plain ridiculous.
The knee did not land to the head, it landed to the forearm, so this entire post was basically useless. You are interpretering your own set of rules. If the knee landed directly to the head/face then so be it, but it didn't.
The fact that he intended to hit Koschecks head alone is enough to get him DQ'd had it landed flush and enough to warrant a point deduction regardless of if it was blocked. Kos had the right reaction and blocked, hes lucky he did because Rumble wouldve lost a DQ.
Sometimes intent to land an illegal blow outweighs the actual rule, I guarentee every ref wouldve stopped the action at that point.
This was the reason why Kos was holding his eye, if you look closesly, it looks like Kos was trying to go for a shot and AJ was defending and his thumb accidently swiped Kos's eye.....and then I think the knee happened, but did not hit Kos in the face (from the replays I have seen, it hit his arm).
I've been searching for a gif of the knee, but this was the best I could find to explain why Kos was holding his left eye.
exactly. It's the refs job to _INTERPRET_ the rules, not to enforce the LITERAL SEMANTIC WORDING of it. The intent of the rule is very clear, and any referee worth his salt would have stopped that fight. Believe what you want, you're wrong.
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I was downloading a gif maker and a 720 p copy of the fight specifically to make that gif. I pointed it out in the spoilers thread when it actually happened as well. He WAS poked in the eye prior to the knee, and the knee was clearly illegal.
Again, thank god you're not refs. If you honestly think that interpretation of a rule is based more heavily around the literal wording than the obvious intent of the rule, you have already evidenced that you are unfit to interpret those rules.
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The fact that he intended to hit Koschecks head alone is enough to get him DQ'd had it landed flush and enough to warrant a point deduction regardless of if it was blocked. Kos had the right reaction and blocked, hes lucky he did because Rumble wouldve lost a DQ.
Sometimes intent to land an illegal blow outweighs the actual rule, I guarentee every ref wouldve stopped the action at that point.
I disagree with this, if anything it would have been a NC. Intent was there but this reminded me a lot of the Varner/Cowboy knee where it seemed like the opponent was getting up, Kos wasn't as close as Varner to getting up, but I didn't see any malicious intent behind Johnson's knee to DQ him for it. When the Cowboy knee happened and they stopped the fight, it went to the cards, but since the knee happened kinda early in the AJ/Kos fight it probably should have just been a NC.
exactly. It's the refs job to _INTERPRET_ the rules, not to enforce the LITERAL SEMANTIC WORDING of it. The intent of the rule is very clear, and any referee worth his salt would have stopped that fight. Believe what you want, you're wrong.
Ok King MMA, is it possible for you to have a discussion without jumping down someones throat and calling them wrong because their opinion differs from yours? Jeez
The fact that he intended to hit Koschecks head alone is enough to get him DQ'd had it landed flush and enough to warrant a point deduction regardless of if it was blocked. Kos had the right reaction and blocked, hes lucky he did because Rumble wouldve lost a DQ.
Sometimes intent to land an illegal blow outweighs the actual rule, I guarentee every ref wouldve stopped the action at that point.
I disagree with this, if anything it would have been a NC. Intent was there but this reminded me a lot of the Varner/Cowboy knee where it seemed like the opponent was getting up, Kos wasn't as close as Varner to getting up, but I didn't see any malicious intent behind Johnson's knee to DQ him for it. When the Cowboy knee happened and they stopped the fight, it went to the cards, but since the knee happened kinda early in the AJ/Kos fight it probably should have just been a NC.
That was 5 rounds into the fight, the rule changes drastically when the fight goes past the halfway point, Cerrone's knee was less intentional than Rumbles. Just watch Rumble as he throws it, he knows full well its an illegal blow and yes had he KO'd Kos with it, it wouldve been a DQ, a NC would be more along the lines of an accident in that situation which it wasnt.
This is going no where. There is no definitive answer and everyone's just going back-and-forth. The insults are flying, intelligence is being questioned...enough. Thread locked.
