Anthony Johnson: After I hurt Koscheck, he needed some kind of excuse to recover |
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bjj1605
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Posted by xAcidburNx
this argument is rediculous. yes he was over acting when he got the downed knee. but i dont care what anyone says. you take a full knee to the head when your on your knees it hurts like no tommorow. even if its blocked. fact of the matter is koscheck didnt have to act. he could have taken the full five with the poke or not, the knee was completely illegal. im not calling johnson a cheater at all though. when a fights goin on its hard to keep yourself in check at all times. when it comes down to it though. you dont need your eyesight at close range grappling on the ground all that much. he got his back taken and choked out. end of story. he could have taken the full 5 mins to recover but he went back in and once you make that descision there is no going back. no excuses. you take the loss and should go back to the BJJ gym
Except the knee didn't land so it can't be illegal. And you might not need you eye sight much grappling but you certainly do to land strikes and defend takedowns. Both thing Johnson was doing very well before the pokes and poorly after the pokes. And the more important part is that Johnson had Kos hurt before he took that time to recover from a knee that didn't land. Even if they don't rule this fight a no-contest it should be a direct rematch to find out who the winner is barring those circumstance.
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Post #16 11/22/09 2:15:12PM
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higdon10
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Posted by bjj1605
should be a direct rematch to find out who the winner is barring those circumstance.
And Kos would beat him again.
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Post #17 11/22/09 2:40:46PM
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Sir_Karl
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I can't stand Johnson but I do believe Koscheck faked the eye injury. His own arm (which blocked the knee) may have hit that eye...but as soon as the fight eventually restarted Koscheck was no longer squinting that eye. It was an illegal knee though no matter what. He isn't stupid and he took an opportunity to rest and rethink his strategy. As far as Koscheck poking Johnson's eyes. Josh pushes with his lead hand to line up his power shot. He really needs to be a little more mindful of his actions. If he can't...the Refs should do their job a little better. If Johnson couldn't continue...it should have been a NC. That wasn't the case though. Johnson continued. Illegal knees and eyes pokers are bad news period.
Accidents happen though...and fighters do "play it up". I think we saw a perfect example of that last night.
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Post #18 11/22/09 3:18:08PM
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SpiderSilva
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Johnson is still a better striker than Kos Kos had to go to the wrestling when he seen Rumble eat his over hand right and take it like a champ I still think Johnson could beat Kos. Rumble lost it when Kos had him against the cage I knew from there it was over
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Post #19 11/22/09 3:30:46PM
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Dtime_NBT
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Posted by Jride
Koscheck is such a weasel.
Thats how I predicted the fight going tho, I just had faith that it wouldnt go that route.
Rumble rocks Koscheck standing, Koscheck shoots and goes for the choke
Is there something wrong with that?
Is using your strengths against your oppoents weakness considered being a weasel?
I like to call that strategy, and it looks like it worked, huh?
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Post #20 11/22/09 4:01:38PM
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Captain Doctor
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they need to fight again. kos was losing until that point and it was all very questionable. that being said...kos stand up looked better than it ever has.
I think rumble wins the rematch but i'd rather see kos win....no idea why though.
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Post #21 11/22/09 4:03:25PM
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MisterFreeze
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Posted by emfleek
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You lost. Take it like a man.
Don't act like that was a fair fight. No Contest if I ever saw one.
How do you figure? Over accidental eye poking? I suppose that never happens in fights?
It was absolutely a fair fight. Don't act like it wasn't.
Josh Koscheck cheated in my opinion. He faked an injury which is against the rules and I believe he jabbed AJ in the eyes on purpose. Look at the replay of it, Josh Koscheck JAMMED his fingers up in AJ's eyes, it didn't look accidental.
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Post #22 11/22/09 4:16:12PM
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Posted by Jride
Koscheck is such a weasel.
Thats how I predicted the fight going tho, I just had faith that it wouldnt go that route.
Rumble rocks Koscheck standing, Koscheck shoots and goes for the choke
Do you also consider Damian Maia a weasel for taking all of his fights to the ground and getting submissions? Or GSP a weasel for taking his opponents down and pounding them out?
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Post #23 11/22/09 4:16:47PM
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MisterFreeze
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Except the knee didn't land so it can't be illegal. And you might not need you eye sight much grappling but you certainly do to land strikes and defend takedowns. Both thing Johnson was doing very well before the pokes and poorly after the pokes. And the more important part is that Johnson had Kos hurt before he took that time to recover from a knee that didn't land. Even if they don't rule this fight a no-contest it should be a direct rematch to find out who the winner is barring those circumstance.
Exactly! it can't be illegal if it didn't land! Knees to the body, arms and legs of a downed opponent are perfectly legal. Johnsons knee hit Koschecks arm and only his arm. Legal shot.
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Post #24 11/22/09 4:20:42PM
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It comes down to this...AJ gassed and Kos took his five minutes allotted, deserved or not.
If he had better cardio, he wouldn't have to use this as an excuse.
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Post #25 11/22/09 4:23:47PM
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FrankTheTank1181
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Koscheck should try soccer or baskeball floppin like that from a phantom strike. It was funny to me how when the doctor was lookin' at his eye he could barely open it but as soon as they restarted it was suddenly fine.
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Post #26 11/22/09 4:28:46PM
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johnson used the break in the middle of the round to get a breather, so as far as kos "cheating" or "faking" to get the 5 minutes which had already been given to him... i think its a pretty safe assumption to say johnson benifited from the break just as much as kos did if not more.
Koscheck ate his best shot and showed that Johnson couldnt break his will. Johnson will always have a punchers chance in any fight but i think a rematch ends the exact same way.
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Post #27 11/22/09 4:32:42PM
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EvenFlow
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If you look at what they both did in this fight, siding with Rumble is just sour grapes man. Intentionally kneeing someone when they're down is way worse than an accidental eye poke and how is it "cheating" when knees to the head while down is illegal anyway? he was getting 5 minutes regardless. I'm sure Rumble couldve took 3-5 minutes as well for the eye poke.
As far as the eye injury, the knee dosnt have to hit your eye for it to hurt or be injured, the blunt force of your forearm hitting you in the eye from a knee is plenty, momentum shifted from knee to arm to face. Granted Rumble probably didnt put all his force into it. I cant see the rematch happening any different, and it shouldnt happen, Rumble lost fair and square.
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Post #28 11/22/09 4:50:30PM
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Aether
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Oh for god's sake, here we go. This thing where people accuse fighters of acting when they take illegal strikes is really inappropriate IMO. The knee was BLATANTLY illegal. How can anyone even question it? Whether his arm was between the knee and the head is irrelevant, the rule isn't "no knees to the head of a downed opponent unless he's blocking them" it was a flagrant foul, he had no reason to act an eyepoke because he clearly took an illegal knee and had a right to take his 5 minutes as a result. The eye was a completely secondary issue and had nothing to do with the point deduction or the stoppage.
What would have changed if there was no issue with his eye? Would the knee suddenly become legal? No. What possible benefit could pretending his eye was hurt have given him? He gets time to recover from the knee and Johnson gets a point deducted either way.
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Post #29 11/22/09 5:04:37PM
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D0wnUnd6e6r
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F*CK THIS
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Post #30 11/22/09 5:19:00PM
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